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Review :: Media
When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
Most of us are now well aware of the caricatures of the prophet Mohammad, solicited by and published last September in the right-wing Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten. This week several publications resurrected those controversial images of Mohammad as a bomb-turbaned terrorist and another where he refuses suicide bombers entry into Heaven as “We’ve run out of Virgins.” Then our news sources informed us that due solely to these images “outrage sweeps across the Muslim world.” Such coverage has elicited miles of text and a Babel of blather denouncing those who would dare threaten OUR freedom of speech because it offends THEIR “backward” beliefs.
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When Freedom of Expression becomes a Weapon
Like children following the Pied-Piper, many of us now lock-step behind the tune “Freedom of Expression,” deaf to the fact that there was precious little of the “RAGE, FURORE, VIOLENCE, DEATH THREATS” shouting from the headlines of mainstream news sources during the first two days of those stories. Given the virtual real-world absence of actual expressions of outrage, the mainstream media’s handling of this story plays like propaganda aimed at deepening the divide between “Us and Them.”

On Thursday the largest number of protesters, in a world of over one-billion Muslims, was “around 300” in Pakistan. As of noon Friday, the only reported demonstration attributed to these cartoons consisted of “about 300” Indonesians, which, somehow, Reuters viewed as meriting the headline “Uproar over Images of Mohammad Spreads across Asia.” Now, self-righteous and xenophobic fires fanned by such hyperbolic headlines, the fires have begun in earnest as people of the East and West glower at the imagined Other shrieking, “How could they!”

The current coverage of this act of “freedom of expression” and the Muslim response is further demoralizing and undermining the anti-war movement as oil-rich Iran gets hauled towards the Security Council, Bush uses the State of the Union Address to shore up waning support for the “War on Terror” and Rumsfeld calls upon the world to unite as, “a war has been declared on all of our nations” by “Islamic militants” intent on creating “a global extremist empire.”

Now come on, Osama bin Laden is so far off the map he cannot be found. And, as for Iran, well yes, their smiley President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does sound terribly threatening in the press coverage he’s getting; but then, he’s been elected by a nation who feels terribly threatened thanks to the gusher of blood and misery unleashed in neighbouring Iraq and Afghanistan ever since Bush-n-Company came sniffing around for oil, the geo-political leverage it insures and an ongoing excuse to keep tax-payers funding their filthy rich defence contractor and clean-up-the-mess we-made pals.

Moreover, this hyped-up coverage serves to distract (if not recruit) freedom of expression advocates from their struggle with the perceived enemy within—i.e., Western governments intent on using the “War on Terror” as a pretext for spying on and incarcerating citizens of foreign countries as well as their own, and, it may also result in diverting attention from government attempts to monitor and limit freedom of speech as well as from the numerous scandals besetting the Bush Administration.

Well, back to those cartoons…and the coverage we’re getting: By focusing on isolated expressions of anger and by describing these instances as pandemic, the media is force-feeding its viewers with the Neo-Con’s “Clash of Civilizations” thesis and thereby spreading its nefarious “WE—the free, democratic, good, mature and civilized” against “THEM—the freedom-hating, despotic, evil, childlike and barbaric” world-view.

When an entire people are subsumed into this thesis of irreconcilable difference, alarm bells should thunder. One commentator on a British TV news report went so far as to describe Islam as a “virus that requires a cure.” As for the Yahoo Message Boards, a cacophony arose from the featured articles, many calling for nuking the lands of Islam into a “sea of glass” and applying the “Final Solution” to Arabs in the US and Europe. What we are witnessing is a further marginalization of the marginalized, an increased bullying of the bullied.

According to Islam, the crafting of images of Mohammad is the height of blasphemy. The way it was done, repeated and then celebrated is akin to incinerating Holy-of-Holies in public while dancing around the bonfires jeering and threatening Jews. And, who, with open eyes and ears, has not heard an echo of the Nazi’s assessment that Jews behave “like a nation within a nation;” but; now; it comes from our media, our politicians, our family and friends, when they refer to the Islamic problem.

As for those leaders of Muslim nations who have condemned these caricatures, what’s the big deal? They must state, when compelled, that these images are offensive to Muslims. Our own leaders are often quick to decry art and statements offending Christian and Jewish sensibilities—e.g., Andres Serrano’s “Piss Christ” and the recent imprisonment of David Irving for Holocaust denial.

Most Middle Eastern rulers rise by force and/or maintain their regime through force—the source of which is largely supplied by the arms and military training industries of the West. Several Arab political analysts have interpreted the condemnation expressed by the region’s politicos as having much to do with their attempt to keep power. Popular anger has been focused on the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan; but, with these cartoons, regional leaders have a paper-tiger to publicly stab, and thereby show solidarity with their people without risking the ire of their foreign power-base.

What is cause for real outrage is how the Western media also appears enthusiastic about making a storm-in-a-tea-cup of the comprehensible reaction by a small number of Muslims. Doing so, given the human catastrophe visited upon Iraq by the self-proclaimed “civilized world” and the subsequent anguish and humiliation experienced by Muslims, will likely exacerbate this situation, as the past 24-hours is making worrisomely evident.

Our “free-press” is currently offering neither context nor analysis when addressing Muslim reactions to these caricatures. The coverage of what had been tiny isolated protests and threats of violence has been anything but responsible. As such, these reports serve only to stoke the flames of hatred while keeping us in the dark. Our “free-press” is selling-out its stated mission, and its public, most cheaply.

The context is a long history of invasion, occupation, careless killing, intensive pillaging, oppression, humiliation and the subsequent radicalization of many people in the Middle East. Presenting the public outcry of a few hundred Muslims as indicative of a billion people spread over dozens of nations only deepens an already profound sense of divide between "Us and Them." To do so is not merely sensationalist and irresponsible; it’s akin to a crime against truth, justice and humanity.

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Nevertheless
04 Feb 2006
The caricature WAS the product of a free press. Muslims could NOT handle it. And it HAS driven the free speech advocates from the anti-war movement insofar as the anti-war movement contained socialist and islamic censorial and propagandistic sympathy.
Who's Went To Davos?
05 Feb 2006
Media has become our major enemy...
This is PsyOps. All is going according to plan.
05 Feb 2006
Israel wants Iran's nuclear program destroyed. The US wants to back Israel or attack on her behalf. The world would not support such an attack.

Solution, whip up hate.

Welcome to operation comic strip.

You're a bunch of lemmings.
Re: When Freedom of Expression becomes a Weapon
05 Feb 2006
"All is going according to plan."

Yeah, moslems are like children. With one exception of course. If you say "Achmed, the Easter Bunny isn't real" Achmed will kill you. Moslems need to get a grip, Europe is slowly waking up to the game.
Sadly, is this true of some Muslims.
05 Feb 2006
When I was at UMASS Boston (circa 1983) working as a computer science tutor, a fellow tutor whom I thought of as a friendly associate threatened to kill me when I said God, Allah, or whatever anyone calls him, does not exist. I was discussing religion with a friend and he overheard this. He did threaten to kill me for it. I was shocked.

So yes, this is a problem with some Muslims. However, Jews and Christians have problems too. Criticize Israel and some Zionists with threaten to kill you and your family. That has happened to me too.
Re: When Freedom of Expression becomes a Weapon
05 Feb 2006
Damn, I'm impressed - no really. You've said something that makes sense. Here is the difference. Jews have not sent suicide bombers into the West Bank to attack Children. Jews have not sent suicide bombers into Harlem to attack black Muslim children. Christians have not sent suicide bombers into Israel to kill Jews. Sure, there anomolies in all religions, but in which does this act prevail?
As an Atheist, I'm getting more than a bit tired of this.
05 Feb 2006
Imagine no religion...

Really, does anyone believe that a good God would want those he supposedly create in his image slaughtering each other over God? The vast majority of humanity needs to grow up.
Re: When Freedom of Expression becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
"Jews have not sent suicide bombers into Harlem to attack black Muslim children."

That would be a totally great analogy if Harlem were a military state that had forcibly displaced Jews and was keeping them coralled and unemployed in walled reservations while destroying their food crops, taking the water from their aquifers, and retaliating at a rate of 5:1 deaths.
Re: When Freedom of Expression becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
That's a tired cliche. Remember, Israel was attacked by the Arabs twice after the geographical area known as Palestine was divided by the United Nations and Israel was made a state in half of the area. Israel only occupied thewest bank after defeating a larger Arab army that attacked it. Israel has been willing to accept a Palestinian state but the Arabs would not and still do not accept the right of Israel to exist. The election of Hamas proves this once again. So please spare me the wailing and gnashing of teath over the plight of the Arabs.
this one's funny :
06 Feb 2006
"Israel has been willing to accept a Palestinian state but..."
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
I'm thinking that the Danish cartoon thingy is like if the NYTimes published a racist cartoon against Martin Luther King and that created a riot across US cities. Hmmm, curious...
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
Ask a mullah about a woman's right to choose?
"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers
06 Feb 2006
Test our feelings'

Hundreds of people took part in the morning demonstration in Afghanistan's Laghman province, in a second day of protests in the city.

Demonstrators shouted "death to Denmark" and "death to France". They called for the expulsion of diplomats and soldiers, who were sent by both countries as part of international efforts in the US-led "war on terror".

Cartoon row: Your views

"They want to test our feelings," protester Mawli Abdul Qahar Abu Israra told the BBC.

"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," he said
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
sid, just because the zionists have not sent in suicide bombers doesn't mean they don't commit atrocities. i have seen footage of radical settlers beating up a procession of Palistinian school girls. have you seen pictures of Jenin after the IDF invasion? suicide bombers aren't the only way to murder civilians.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
What a stupid thing to center. This has nothing to do with our town. It might fit in if you folks actually covered any thing locally outside of the occasional speech that happens.

get some real reporters, or learn how to report.

Not only is this foreign to us, about people halfway around the world, but it's just the kinda fodder that trolls, who are equally absorbed and drawn to the light of the mass media bullshit distraction, love to jump in on.

duh!
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
Don't be so Boston-centric! There is a lot of things going on outside your town, and actually I would love to see more articles like this own here. This article is directly commenting on how mass media works and part of indymedia is to learn to deconstruct corporate media. duh! to you!
I know where they're coming from
06 Feb 2006
I think it is admirable that our Muslim brothers and sisters have hit the streets to reafirm their beliefs and to show they are not kidding around. Why, no one here can shit on Christianity without having to explain one's own morality. And that's the key, chick-a-dees, don't intentionally harm other people and every little thing, it will be alright!
I remember when a New York artist made a picture of the Virgin Mother and put elephant dung on it. Idon't know if it was more upsetting because it was in bad taste or bad art. What ever happen to that asshole? Does he not remove the crap from his house when his cat goes in the box? Does it collect on the floor, like one of those pycho houses that have to be condemned? Does he not flush the toliet?
And in defense to that guy that said he would kill someone for talking ill about God. I've told people to die for just looking at me wrong. I think it's a cultural thing.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
All fanatical religions are a blight on the world. Islam is just currently the blightiest. (America's far right-wing are a close second. BOTH of them cry media bias when they don't like what's being reported.)

Frankly, I've had enough of religion in general, but I'm way past my breaking point when it comes to muslims.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
06 Feb 2006
It's great that newspapers will print pictures of "Piss Christ" ( A crucifix suspended in urine), but not these foolish cartoons. Did Christians protest the "Piss Christ", absolutely. Did anyone get killed? No. Did anyone scream for beheadings? No. Did any buildings get burned down? Again, no.

Like it or not, Islam is a cult. A violent, untolerant, backward one at that. I know the replys to my post are going to accuse me of being, racist, or not having an understanding of Islamic culture, or when all else fails, accuse me of being nothing but a "right wing hate monger " who's an agent for Bu$h ( please use only one of these to discredit me, don't be greedy).

I don't know about anyone else, but I get a little concerned, when the same people who treat women like property, stone them to death for adultery ( ever been to Saudi Arabia?) and also behead homosexuals, now are striving to get nuclear weapons.... But hey, we should be tolerant of their culture.
Religion+Brainwashing=Sleepwalkers
07 Feb 2006
Until the majority of humans realize that religion causes many assinine results?
Carry on...
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
Just to explain these matters from a Norwegian point of view I have written an article. This because it was the huge norwegian mag "Magazinet" (they got a horrible name and maybe 50 readers or less) whom printed these pics after the right-wing paper in Denmark had done it. The editor of this mag now stands up as the defender of freedom of expreccion (he was, not long ago, crying a lot since they wanted to reinstate the blasphemical pharagrapf in Norway...)

Anyhow read and enjoy.
http://kingkills.blogspot.com/2006/02/allah-akhbar.html
Left Wing, Right Wing, Center, Floating Above..
07 Feb 2006
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the Danish newspaper were, a cartoon, regardless of who or what it depicts, does not justify violence. Where are the so called "moderate" Islamic leaders denouncing this outrage ? Still practicing thier 9/11 apologies maybe ??
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
And yet... I'm wondering how much the violence has really been spurred by those cartoons instead of what Muslims see as the Western re-colonization of their countries... I agree with the author. How much of the protest coverage is a depiction of a Muslim minority, therefore, villifying an entire culture?
Muslims creating the Riots
07 Feb 2006
One of the pictures displayed around the Middle East by a Danish Islamic group seeking to whip up anti-infidel rage supposedly showed Mohammed as “a pig.” Neandernews has discovered the source for this picture—and it has nothing to do with Mohammed: Danish Imams Busted!

http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54
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ran’s supreme leader on Tuesday accused Western newspapers of an Israeli conspiracy for publishing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Iranian air force personnel the drawings were particularly scandalous as they came “from those who champion civilization and free expression.”

The caricatures have roiled the Muslim world, touching off demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies.

They were first published in Denmark in September and then reprinted recently by numerous European newspapers in the name of free speech.

“The West condemns any denial of the Jewish holocaust, but it permits the insult of Islamic sanctities,” Khamenei said.

The cartoons have offended many Muslims because Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustration of the prophet and because several drawings depict Muhammad as a man of violence.

The caricatures amounted to a “conspiracy by the Jews who were angry because of the victory of Hamas,” he said, referring to the Palestinian militant group that won a surprise landslide victory in last month’s elections.
Clear Your Mind, Yo.
07 Feb 2006
Yo said:

"I'm thinking that the Danish cartoon thingy is like if the NYTimes published a racist cartoon against Martin Luther King and that created a riot across US cities. Hmmm, curious..."

I'm thinking you can't tell the difference between race and religion and are again patronizing blacks.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
Religion & race are very closely related to culture, so it's really about being sensitive to someone else's culture, particularly when they are being severely oppressed. I think if a Middle Eastern gov't like Iran had invaded and occupied the US and then, France, for example, had published a cartoon making fun, let's say, of the Constitution (is that sacred enough to US citizens, I wonder? that's also interesting. i mean, the exercise of freedom of speech in this country--unless is anti-capitalist--is pretty amazing), I think some US citizens would've stormed French embassies, yes... Or maybe not... I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes, you dig?
Yo
07 Feb 2006
Not be insenstive, but your arguement doesn't make alot sense, clarify it abit ..
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
I think its really unfair to condemn the entire muslim community for these violent protests as many muslims around the world have condemned these acts. I also think its unfair to draw comparison of these protests to the nonviolent christian and jewish protests in america over mockeries of their religion in the media. America is rich and peaceful country, whereas the countries which are suffering from violent protests are saturated with violence poverty and general disorder. On the other hand, I think many in the muslim community need to be more objective, as many of the same people protesting are extremely disrespectful of judaism and christianity. This all is just more evidence of how poisonous religion is to our modern world, and people need to wake up and throw them all away.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
well, I think the author of the article puts it quite clearly:

"What is cause for real outrage is how the Western media also appears enthusiastic about making a storm-in-a-tea-cup of the comprehensible reaction by a small number of Muslims. Doing so, given the human catastrophe visited upon Iraq by the self-proclaimed “civilized world” and the subsequent anguish and humiliation experienced by Muslims, will likely exacerbate this situation, as the past 24-hours is making worrisomely evident.

Our “free-press” is currently offering neither context nor analysis when addressing Muslim reactions to these caricatures. The coverage of what had been tiny isolated protests and threats of violence has been anything but responsible. As such, these reports serve only to stoke the flames of hatred while keeping us in the dark. Our “free-press” is selling-out its stated mission, and its public, most cheaply."

That is, are we being played by the media once again? There is no doubt that Imperialism in Middle East, in its pursue of total oil domination, is threatening not only the livelihood but culture of Muslim people there. So, is their anger really about religion or about how the Western world has invaded and is destroying their way of life, both by direct military invasion and by supporting militarily oppressive governments in Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia?

How would I feel, if I lived in US territory occupied by a foreign force and someone else mocked my spiritual leader (whomever that may be... it's hard to think that way because i'm not religious)? Would I myself turn into an extremist, I wonder?
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
yo=Boston IMC slug

good work guys!
Freedom from religion and freedom of expression
07 Feb 2006
Hey, am I the only one who really wants to see the original cartoons that started all this? Does anyone have a web address where I can see them? And, btw, as an atheist and a revolutionary socialist, I refrain from condemning entire nations, races or even the entire group of one religion or another. I believe in freedom of and freedom from religion. But also, no way will I let superstitious mobs and medieval threats stop me from expressing my opinion about all religions, including Islam: they are all a bunch of superstitious crap. Yaweh, Allah, Christ, Vishnu, Buddha, etc... are clearly the fictions of ignorant, scared and diseased minds. And if, as one of the commenters mentions below, a true believer ever threatens to kill me for saying there is no god or gods, I hope he is ready for martyrdom because I will show him, in practice, just how bogus his claims of an after-life really are.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
I saw the cartoons, you're not missing too much. They definitely do not justify beheadings, arson, etc.
One Muslim scholar has come out and said that if truly study the Koran, it states that Islam does not require others to enbrace it. Is she correct, I dunno, I'm not a muslim nor do I have any interest in being one. I'm just repeating what I heard on cable news so take it for what its worth.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004491.htm

They're burning flags with crosses at the Church of the Nativity.
One of the idiot palestinians is burning a Swiss flag...
Hey, nobody ever accused them of being smart.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
"I saw the cartoons, you're not missing too much. They definitely do not justify beheadings, arson, etc."

When you look at it from the perspective of a well enough off American, sure. When you look at it from the perspective of a brutally oppressed people who have every reason in the world to believe the West is seeking to destroy their religion, it absolutely does justify it. Try looking at it from the perspective of someone who has watched their region overrun with Western armies, saturated with American bombs and watched the West go back on all it's promises regarding "democracy" in both Palestine and Armenia. It's not a difficult thing to understand why they're reacting this way. Nor is it an easy thing to condemn them for doing so.

The Danes could have put this all to rest by issuing a simple apology yet refused to do so - blatently ignoring that freedom of speech in Denmark does not equal freedom from responsibility for what one publishes. Other European papers joined in, all with the purpose of upsetting Muslims. Well, they got what they paid for. And if Denmark and the other nations don't suffer consequences as a whole, what incentive is there for them to respect Islam next time around? In the West we're used to slandering and defaming other cultures with little or no consequence - if they fight back, we typically just murder them. That isn't going to fly this time.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
07 Feb 2006
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn't stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech.
Media In Solidarity: Hirsi Ali, you have called the Prophet Muhammad a tyrant and a pervert. Theo van Gogh, the director of your film "Submission," which is critical of Islam, was murdered by Islamists. You yourself are under police protection. Can you understand how the Danish cartoonists feel at this point?

Hirsi Ali: "The cartoons should be displayed everywhere."

Hirsi Ali: They probably feel numb. On the one hand, a voice in their heads is encouraging them not to sell out their freedom of speech. At the same time, they're experiencing the shocking sensation of what it's like to lose your own personal freedom. One mustn't forget that they're part of the postwar generation, and that all they've experienced is peace and prosperity. And now they suddenly have to fight for their own human rights once again.

Media In Solidarity: Why have the protests escalated to such an extent?

Hirsi Ali: There is no freedom of speech in those Arab countries where the demonstrations and public outrage are being staged. The reason many people flee to Europe from these places is precisely because they have criticized religion, the political establishment and society. Totalitarian Islamic regimes are in a deep crisis. Globalization means that they're exposed to considerable change, and they also fear the reformist forces developing among émigrés in the West. They'll use threatening gestures against the West, and the success they achieve with their threats, to intimidate these people.

Media In Solidarity: Was apologizing for the cartoons the wrong thing to do?

Hirsi Ali: Once again, the West pursued the principle of turning first one cheek, then the other. In fact, it's already a tradition. In 1980, privately owned British broadcaster ITV aired a documentary about the stoning of a Saudi Arabian princess who had allegedly committed adultery. The government in Riyadh intervened and the British government issued an apology. We saw the same kowtowing response in 1987 when (Dutch comedian) Rudi Carrell derided (Iranian revolutionary leader) Ayatollah Khomeini in a comedy skit (that was aired on German television). In 2000, a play about the youngest wife of the Prophet Mohammed, titled "Aisha," was cancelled before it ever opened in Rotterdam. Then there was the van Gogh murder and now the cartoons. We are constantly apologizing, and we don't notice how much abuse we're taking. Meanwhile, the other side doesn't give an inch.

Media In Solidarity: What should the appropriate European response look like?

Hirsi Ali: There should be solidarity. The cartoons should be displayed everywhere. After all, the Arabs can't boycott goods from every country. They're far too dependent on imports. And Scandinavian companies should be compensated for their losses. Freedom of speech should at least be worth that much to us.

Media In Solidarity: But Muslims, like any religious community, should also be able to protect themselves against slander and insult.

Hirsi Ali: That's exactly the reflex I was just talking about: offering the other cheek. Not a day passes, in Europe and elsewhere, when radical imams aren't preaching hatred in their mosques. They call Jews and Christians inferior, and we say they're just exercising their freedom of speech. When will the Europeans realize that the Islamists don't allow their critics the same right? After the West prostrates itself, they'll be more than happy to say that Allah has made the infidels spineless.

Media In Solidarity: What will be the upshot of the storm of protests against the cartoons?

Hirsi Ali: We could see the same thing happening that has happened in the Netherlands, where writers, journalists and artists have felt intimidated ever since the van Gogh murder. Everyone is afraid to criticize Islam. Significantly, "Submission" still isn't being shown in theaters.

Media In Solidarity: Many have criticized the film as being too radical and too offensive.

Hirsi Ali: The criticism of van Gogh was legitimate. But when someone has to die for his world view, what he may have done wrong is no longer the issue. That's when we have to stand up for our basic rights. Otherwise we are just reinforcing the killer and conceding that there was a good reason to kill this person.

Media In Solidarity: You too have been accused for your dogged criticism of Islam.

Hirsi Ali: Oddly enough, my critics never specify how far I can go. How can you address problems if you're not even allowed to clearly define them? Like the fact that Muslim women at home are kept locked up, are raped and are married off against their will -- and that in a country in which our far too passive intellectuals are so proud of their freedom!

Media In Solidarity: The debate over speaking Dutch on the streets and the integration programs for potentially violent Moroccan youth -- do these things also represent the fruits of your provocations?

Hirsi Ali: The sharp criticism has finally triggered an open debate over our relationship with Muslim immigrants. We have become more conscious of things. For example, we are now classifying honor killings by the victims' countries of origin. And we're finally turning our attention to young girls who are sent against their wills from Morocco to Holland as brides, and adopting legislation to make this practice more difficult.

Media In Solidarity: You're working on a sequel to "Submission." Will you stick to your uncompromising approach?

Hirsi Ali: Yes, of course. We want to continue the debate over the Koran's claim to absoluteness, the infallibility of the Prophet and sexual morality. In the first part, we portrayed a woman who speaks to her god, complaining that despite the fact that she has abided by his rules and subjugated herself, she is still being abused by her uncle. The second part deals with the dilemma into which the Muslim faith plunges four different men. One hates Jews, the second one is gay, the third is a bon vivant who wants to be a good Muslim but repeatedly succumbs to life's temptations, and the fourth is a martyr. They all feel abandoned by their god and decide to stop worshipping him.

Media In Solidarity: Will recent events make it more difficult to screen the film?

Hirsi Ali: The conditions couldn't be more difficult. We're forced to produce the film under complete anonymity. Everyone involved in the film, from actors to technicians, will be unrecognizable. But we are determined to complete the project. The director didn't really like van Gogh, but he believes that, for the sake of free speech, shooting the sequel is critical. I'm optimistic that we'll be able to premier the film this year.

Media In Solidarity: Is the Koran's claim to absoluteness, which you criticize in "Submission," the central obstacle to reforming Islam?

Hirsi Ali: The doctrine stating that the faith is inalterable because the Koran was dictated by God must be replaced. Muslims must realize that it was human beings who wrote the holy scriptures. After all, most Christians don't believe in hell, in the angels or in the earth having been created in six days. They now see these things as symbolic stories, but they still remain true to their faith.
To Atheist
07 Feb 2006
Atheist:
You could have seen the cartoons right here on IMC. They had been posted. However, this bastion of free speech has decided to censor those cartoons.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
u all are silly people ?how we are not upset ! what is your state when silly pepole like u come and make silly cartoons on the silly status u pray forcan one ans me
Nice Try Makhno
08 Feb 2006
This has absolutely nothing to do "western armies", "looking at from western culture", or most unfortunate for those on the far left, "Bu$h".

What it is, is radical Islama-facists using the more simple followers of this backwards cult to do their bidding and destabilize this region more than it alreday is. Wow, muslims taking hostages and buring embassies, that's something new isn't it ? NOTHING JUSTIFIES WHAT IS GOING ON AS A "RESULT" OF THESE CARTOONS. IT"S A CARTOON! A drawing. Nothing more , nothing less. Could it be offensive, yes, depending on your viewpoint.

So, if we can base our actions on the "Makhno rationale", I'm going to home depot, buying a whole bunch of bricks and I'm going to hurl them threw the globe's windows because I'm offended buy a cartoon that I believe to be anti-christian... I might even take a delivery worker hostage. Barring the fact I haven't been to church since i was 11, you have to see it from my viewpoint. While we're at, shouldn't we blame rape victims for geting raped, you know the way she was dressed.....
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
Atheist: here's a link for you: http://cryptome.org/muhammad.htm
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
the difference is that while everyone and their mother now seems to be getting off on looking at nasty depictions of mohammed, the same would not happen with nasty depictions of the Holocaust.

Because for some reason it's cool and mainstream to hate Muslims and their religion these days. Why, it's almost like there's been a PR campaign at work for years now to demonize the people whose oil fields we want to seize.

Not to be cynical, but how is it going to look to the world when the truth about 9-11 becomes more widely known? Is BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones crazy for writing a paper saying that explosives were used in the WTC demolition?

Shouldn't we be concerned about how the current villification of Muslims could soon be targeted at very different groups by those who will associate the crimes of a few individuals with the actions of rogue political elements?

Can people see where this is going? It's kinda scary...
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
Sometimes a cigar is just a gigar--but cartoons are always intended to communicate something, like a joke. Or hate. Or incitement to violence. Heck I should know! There are lots of place-kickers who have been seriously injured by people imitating Lucy removing the ball before Charlie Brown kicks it. If you dig deeper than the mainstream news line, you'll understand what these cartoons are all about.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
Regardless of digging deeper and the top secret hidden, made up, sneaky, X-File theories................ It's a stupid cartoon! Who cares and why are people killing each other and destroying property over it. Big deal! Go on to a web site and whine about it but don't kill over it. Its a cartoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everything is exactly as it seems.
08 Feb 2006
I know, Vet, you're so wise about the world. It's like a Texas rain--just sit back and let it rape you.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
Wise enough to know a picture (cartoon no less) is not worth millions of people acting crazy and trashing their own cities! I know some on here will attempt to put a spin on that, because that is what you do, but it matters not what race, color or god you follow. It would be silly if it was here in the USA, it would be silly if it was in England, it would be silly in Iceland and it is silly in the middle east.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
It would be "silly" if a cartoon of Mohammad provoked such demonstrations in the USA, or England, or Iceland or such a narrow band of Western societies, but that of course is exactly the point, a complete lack of empathy for other sensibilities; that may not warrant suppression of free speech but nonetheless gives pause for further reflection as to what the reaction might be if revered subjects HERE were to be parodied ELSEWHERE. We may not have to wait long to find out. Reports from Reuters today, trickling in now, are that an Iranian newspaper is to sponsor a contest for cartoons about the Holocaust which the U.S State Dept. has reportedly already condemned as "simply outrageous". Or try this little experiment in thought; how should free speech advocates, including IMC, react to this nasty, vulgar little joke: "Q. What's brown and lies in the attic? A. The diarrhea of Anne Frank " ??
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
It's not just a cartoon. It is a negative depiction of an entire race of people. It's a tasteless image that should be condemned by anyone who sees it. But instead it is repeatedly picked up by various media outlets. And the people who are offended by it are being portrayed as extremists. I guess what some are saying is that they should just get a sense of humour about the whole thing. Their reactions (some overeactions, yes) are completely understandable when you consider how these people have been marginalized by the west for so many years.
Wes, Wes, Wes...
08 Feb 2006
Wes, despite your insistence to the contrary, this DOES have absolutely EVERYTHING to do with the CONTEXT in which all of this is taking place. Pretending otherwise simply to advance your own personal bias against Islam is idiocy.

You've attempted to make an analogy, but it was an extremely poor one for two reasons:

1) Christianity does not strictly forbid the use of images. Go into any church and you'll find pictures of Christ all over the place. Images of Muhammed are strictly forbidden in Islam. Which is something these papers knew and part of the reason they published them in the first place - they knew it would piss people off.

2) No Muslim nations are sending tanks up and down your street. No Muslim nations have warships in the Gulf of Mexico. No Muslim nations are bombing our major cities. Or illegally invading and occupying our lands. You and your faith are not under any attack. In other words, there is absolutely no room for comparison between an American Christian's situation and that of a Muslim in the Occupied Territories, Afghanistan or Iraq.

You're attempting to separate the religious from the political in a region where the two are helplessly intertwined. Pretty ridiculous, on your part.
Wes, Wes, Wes...
08 Feb 2006
Wes, despite your insistence to the contrary, this DOES have absolutely EVERYTHING to do with the CONTEXT in which all of this is taking place. Pretending otherwise simply to advance your own personal bias against Islam is idiocy.

You've attempted to make an analogy, but it was an extremely poor one for two reasons:

1) Christianity does not strictly forbid the use of images. Go into any church and you'll find pictures of Christ all over the place. Images of Muhammed are strictly forbidden in Islam. Which is something these papers knew and part of the reason they published them in the first place - they knew it would piss people off.

2) No Muslim nations are sending tanks up and down your street. No Muslim nations have warships in the Gulf of Mexico. No Muslim nations are bombing our major cities. Or illegally invading and occupying our lands. You and your faith are not under any attack. In other words, there is absolutely no room for comparison between an American Christian's situation and that of a Muslim in the Occupied Territories, Afghanistan or Iraq.

You're attempting to separate the religious from the political in a region where the two are helplessly intertwined. Pretty ridiculous, on your part.
Cartoon History
08 Feb 2006
The Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten created the furor over depictions of Mohammed by publishing a series of 12 drawings depicting Mohammed. The publication of the images in Jyllands-Posten has been condemned around the Islamic world, but the entire controversy started when Danish author Kåre Bluitgen complained that he could not find an artist brave enough to illustrate his upcoming book about Mohammed. So the newspaper Jyllands-Posten called for submissions from any artists willing to take up the challenge. After the radical Muslim world sought revenge on the paper, the original book was forgotten; it has now been released, and does feature page after page of Mohammed depictions. Click here to see This site with scans of several of the pages of the book. Although some of the cartoons published in were offensive to many Muslims, mid-evil era Muslim artists often created painting and illuminated manuscripts depicting Mohammed. Other artists of the era drew Mohammed with a blank face (or the image was later de-faced) to comply with the Islamic ban on showing the Prophet.
it's all so simple--in your heart you know the truth
08 Feb 2006
Makhno, very well put.

This reminds me of the argument by defenders of Israeli settlements in the west bank "The settlements aren't illegal."

That's not exactly the point is it? Are the cartoons legal, of course. Are they offensive and defamatory? Yes. Do we have every reason to expect Muslims to be pretty pissed off about the stuff we've done to their peoples? Yes. Should we be surprised to discover that that anger is stoked and magnified deliberately and covertly?

Nope.

The WTC demolition has been incorrectly identified as the work of Muslim extremists. That is a lie. Muslims and Arabs alike have been paying in blood for a crime that Osama bin Laden did not commit. I'd be pretty ticked myself. In fact I am more than a little angry at the travesty of justice that is taking place, and the silence of the citizenry is utterly shameful.
ad hoc signo...
08 Feb 2006
"Authentic outrages are the best to exploit for political gain. In the absence of authentic outrages, manufactured outrage is an adequate substitute, but carries the obvious risk of detection." [Niccolo Macacovelho, The Princess, pg.029]

The 9-11 commission report is one chapter of dissembling the actual data and testimony (designed to provide plausible deniability, i.e. we were deceived!) and the rest a semi-fictional history of al Qaeda and the conspiracy to attack america. It is, quite simply, a modern-day Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a wicked forgery to defame and incite hatred against Jews.

The Mohammed (pbuh) cartoons are similarly forgeries, though what is being forged here is the muslim response.

History is being forged. The forgers will soon be exposed--the question is what will be left of the earth and its peoples when they are?
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
08 Feb 2006
both sides are idiots, really. on one hand denmark, like many european countries, hasn't been great, at multiculturalism. like many european countries, it has an anti-immigration right wing party with surprisingly strong popular support. and on the other hand, torching someone's embassy isn't a justified response to anything, much less a cartoon. if it were, then i think we'd have to, say, sanction right wing nutjobs who torch abortion clinics.
Glory to the Media Gates of the Highest!
09 Feb 2006
Thank goodness for the venue to speak like gods whose voices travel around the face of the earth. Thank goodness for Independent Media.

www.indymedia.org - sweet!


To us:

Independent media is a mighty scroll that will call attention to the peoples of this earth.

They, who spend their minds on broadcasts that are pumped out by political, religious, and corporate dependency, will clearly see the veil that restricts free and sometimes society-saving expression.

Each Organized Religion is accountable to the Whole, for existing within the Un-Whole.

For exoneration, each Public Ideology is accountable to the Whole.

Whatever collective editors dictate, as far as suitable articles, the flood of “the serpent’s” people and their nonsense submissions will not drown what will be placed there.

By anonymity, “the dragon” now seeks to destroy the anonymity of Independent Media.

By anonymity the Independent Media Collective are the archetypical “lamb” of innocent and oppressed peoples who will simply tell their friends to check out ‘www.indymedia.org and post regards to subject matter that might possibly matter more than free speech.


Now, this is a moment I have been waiting for, for a long time. Please let my seed grow, in this garden of free ideas…



Thank you,

Richard Kobzey/yezbok drahcir, February 9, 2006/11 Shvat 5766



We are Physical Gentiles, Spiritual Jews (If that is godly enough for them), Christ Sympathizers, and Non-Religious Deists - like the American Constitutional framers.


GOOGLE us: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=yezbok+drahcir&meta
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
09 Feb 2006
Did you see the funny cartoon about the dead US soldiers being dragged through the streets of Baghdad and Iraqi children are laughing and cheering as they burn Israeli and American flags.The caption read this is what we think of your democracy.The cartoon is very popular in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
09 Feb 2006
Ironic how the rightwingnuts went crazy when Ward Churchill used the free press to make his statements. He received death threats and calls for him to loose his job. Or when the passion of the Christ came out and two theaters were started on fire.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
09 Feb 2006
So atheist, do you think the Jewish state should be fucked as well? Just curious why you didn't throw them in with the religions theirs spawned...
My last post got censored by Indy media
09 Feb 2006
I think my last post got censored. I no longer see it posted. In it, I gave my heartfelt best wishes to vaious Deities. One can't say "fuck god" here in Indy media space? Anyway, "Agnostic" asks what I think of Israel. Israel is an example of imperialist manouvering in the Middle East but Israelis are very real and I feel solidarity with both Israeli and Palestinian working people, even as I curse their governments and their asinine religions. You know, you haven't really lived until you've sat around a cafe in Beirut and had Arab friends teach you how to say "Fuck Allah" in Arabic. Sadly, I can't remember how it goes. Anyone out there know how to say "Fuck Allah" in Arabic? Next time I hear that "Allahu Akbar" bullshit, I'll be sure to tell the mythical Allah to go fuck himself in the tongue of that pile of lies, the Koran.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
09 Feb 2006
Cool. As long as you're consistent. :)
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
10 Feb 2006
Hey Brad...how many riots were there and how many people died? You had a few vocal nuts, not mobs and murder.
Are we talking about speaking irresponsibly to idiots?
10 Feb 2006
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Free speech cannot give a minority of people the POWER to determine what is responsible speech and then expect to always speak freely.


By whose definition is free speech irresponsible? Ultimately, those who choose to do violence are more irresponsible than those who fan the flames. Are we talking about speaking irresponsibly to idiots? I think it is my responsibility to speak about those who exploit indifference.


If the clergy had only rallied the laypeople to peacefully demonstrate in the streets and expose Hitler for what he was, before he took the throne, the ensuing abominations would have only existed in the imagination of those driven to rally. I believe that because of their own devices, the clergy had their hands tied either way they would turn – just like what is happening today.


When those who are more than willing to submit to peaceful dialogue cannot overcome the violence of cover-up, they have the right to foolishly disregard or wisely confront the ideologies of those who resort to, condone, or overlook collective physical violence.


Denis Leary says, “Life’s tough – get a helmet”. These cartoons should be just as laughable.


This world is full of spiritual warfare. The ultimate war of wars is that of words and social misunderstandings, which are brought about by condemnations designed to cause willful ignorance to those charged. Blasphemy is a beneficial term for those who rely heavily upon organized suppression.


Those who resort to violence will not reduce us to the realm of stifled communication.


Those who want a good ass kicking can scream fire in a crowded theatre, but those who want a good pope, mullah or Pat Robertson ass kissing will scream blasphemy in the streets while decrying freedom of speech.


Remember how we let Hitler come to POWER, and remember how people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad incite people to violence, while expecting them to deny the holocaust, while they actually breath life into such a monster.


~ Richard Kobzey


[PS1 – At this stage of our collective dialogue, it seems no longer necessary to maintain anonymity, in fact I know that the only way to be a force in this political world is to have a collective face of real people. Then the secret service can shove the baton of intimidation up their yingyangs, rather than handing it to the military, or sending out assassins who cannot assassinate or abduct more than one of us without national and international suspicion, investigation and judgment, or without an international flood of interest in who we are.

PS2 - I would disclose the nation where I am, but that would not be prudent while I stand out front the veil of anonymity, among a miniscule minority, here at this URL.]
Call it like it is
10 Feb 2006
I really don't think the cartoons should be considered laughable and I don't think this should be a free speech issue.

These cartoons were nothing but hate speech, which doesn't deserve any protections. You either allow all hate speech, or none of it. Anything other than that is an endorsement.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
10 Feb 2006
By that standard, about 90% of what is posted - both articles and commentary - would be considered hate speech and be subject to censorship. Given the inordinate amount of censorship that already occurs on this site, it seems that your standard would cause the site to either shut down or turn into one big group hug where we sing Kumbaya every day.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
10 Feb 2006
Hate speech, love speech, religious speech, atheist speech, Satan speech, God speech, sex speech, lust speech, pig speech, condemnation speech, exoneration speech – let all speech be free.

Moronic ideas can be confronted and intelligent ideas can be supported. It will also cause us to collectively deal with each ideology, rather than deny their existence.

Fuck the childrens’ eyes and ears – that is up to the parents. Furthermore, children are not as stupid as adults think. They will grow up to be exposed to everything anyway.

Especially religious zealots will always be looking for some sort of speech to hide from or hide behind, or suppress. Let us leave no stone for them to hide under.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
11 Feb 2006
I laugh at you foolish Americans and know that my enemy is weak and cowardly.You are so upset because Muslims will fight back and never bow down to the US/Israel crusaders.Just like Vietnam you will lose.We are over 1.5 billion strong and growing.The more you insult and kill us the more unified we become. Your corrupt government lies to you and you're to blind to see.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
11 Feb 2006
I laugh at you foolish Americans and know that my enemy is weak and cowardly.You are so upset because Muslims will fight back and never bow down to the US/Israel crusaders.Just like Vietnam you will lose.We are over 1.5 billion strong and growing.The more you insult and kill us the more unified we become. Your corrupt government lies to you and you're to blind to see.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
11 Feb 2006
zionists are everywhere on indymedia.They spread their racist lies,but we are on to your games.You are not the children of god!! so get over your, holier than thou attitudes.God is not a real estate agent,he never gave you Palestine.Talk about religious fanatics,oy vey!You say muslims are zealots,zionists are killing Palestinians every day in the name of their religion. But the media doesn't dare criticize Israel or zionist extremists.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
11 Feb 2006
“The more you insult and kill us the more unified we become.” I haven’t killed anyone, so why should I suffer this unrest? ‘Them and us’ is the exact kind of terminology that religious bigots want us to use.

I pray that meteorites obliterate Israel, the Vatican, Washington, and Mecca. Meteorites are non-partisan – just like the games that are designed to suppress and destroy those who challenge the oppressors. I have a right to pray for what I want – and I have a right to disclose that prayer.

We need the Moslems to play their part in the greater scheme of things. Look at all of the precious free speech dialogue that these spiritually retarded protesters have spawned by their subservience to maniacal clerics.

I expect that very soon all of these abominations that we call ‘revealed ‘ religion are going to make a pact, put aside their differences, and go after gays, because these whores of ‘Babylon’ always need scapegoats.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
11 Feb 2006
meteorites? or "rods from gods"? scroogle it!
Yes, Wing of Bat and Eye of Newt
11 Feb 2006
My curses are just as valid as Mohammed's, or Akhenaton's (Moses') - whose tomb shall soon be encroached. Yea, my other vessel will be awakened and our two witnesses shall soon rise up, pass through the gate, and enter into the vineyard of our god. They shall move upon the landmark, which could not be removed.


~ incarnate one of the land of el-Amarna
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
12 Feb 2006
Among the most potent of the 12 cartoons that have so enraged many of the world's Muslims is the one that shows the Prophet Muhammad with a lighted bomb in the folds of his turban.

While several of the "offending" cartoons were in any case entirely benign, this one is particularly powerful because of the very simplicity and clarity of its message - that some of the prophet's purported devotees are invoking his name, his teachings, his faith, to kill fellow human beings; they are asserting that it is in the fulfillment of his will that they commit murder.

Cartoons and caricatures often hold up a kind of looking glass to society - like one of those concave and convex mirrors you see at the circus that distort your body proportions - to highlight and skewer what the artist deems worthy of visual comment.

But the pity of the turban-bomb prophet cartoon lies in the very lack of distortion needed to make its all-too-valid point: Islam has been hijacked. Many of its professed spiritual leaders and their adherents invoke Allah in declaring their lust to kill their fellow humans and themselves, and many of those who insist that this is a terrible perversion of a gentle, humane religion have, nevertheless, been cowed into reticence, even silence, by the extremists.

That the dominant response to publication of these cartoons has been incandescent anger, the burning of flags, the torching of embassies and legations, deaths and injuries in clashes with security forces and dire threats of murderous revenge only underlines the original illustrated barb. Leveling accusations of insensitivity and bias and blasphemy, responding with violence and vowing more, the would-be defenders vindicate the very critique they claim is so outrageous. It would be ironic were it not tragic.

Muslims who feel themselves to be misunderstood and misrepresented, adherents who subscribe to a benign faith and lament its growing image as a vicious one, might reasonably respond to these caricatures with sorrowful acknowledgement of the damage the extremists are doing to the good name of their religion, and a determination to rectify that harm via a publicized reassertion of humane and moderate values.

Some Muslim leaders and opinion-shapers, to their credit, have done precisely that. A "we are sorry" Web site founded by Muslims in Scandinavia is extolling Islamic tolerance. And it is worth highlighting the common sense of Jihad al-Momani, editor of a Jordanian weekly, Shihan, who printed some of the cartoons and who, in an editorial headlined "Muslims of the world, be reasonable," wondered: "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"

His answer was not long in coming. He was fired.

UNSURPRISINGLY, IRAN is attempting to remake the cartoonists' pen-and-pencil indictment of Islamic extremism as yet another plot hatched by us Elders of Zion - "a conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas," in the words of Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Only slightly more surprising, given their track record, is the effort by some in the West to assist in Teheran's deception rather than endorsing the critical need for Islamic introspection and change and condemning the deplorable surge in violence.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
12 Feb 2006
and Judaism has been hijacked by Zionist extremist lunatics. Ipso facto.
Amen N
13 Feb 2006
Amen!
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
18 Feb 2006
It doesn't really matter what you Americans think.The more you kill and torture us, the more we will fight back.The anger we have for your ignorance and racist arrogance has very little to do with these stupid cartoons.This has alot more to do with your war against Islam, which kills my brothers and sisters every day in Iraq,Afghanistan and Palestine.Your christian/zionist crusade against my people will only cause more Americans to die in Islamic lands.Islam will never be defeated.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
18 Feb 2006
Americans dare accuse Muslims of being violent and unreasonable? Who is killing and torturing hundreds of muslims every day in Iraq and Afghanistan?Americans invaded our land and destroyed our cities and killed over 200,000 in Iraq.Now you want to do the same to Iran and Syria.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
18 Feb 2006
It doesn't really matter what you Americans think.The more you kill and torture us, the more we will fight back.The anger we have for your ignorance and racist arrogance has very little to do with these stupid cartoons.This has alot more to do with your war against Islam, which kills my brothers and sisters every day in Iraq,Afghanistan and Palestine.Your christian/zionist crusade against my people will only cause more Americans to die in Islamic lands.Islam will never be defeated.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
18 Feb 2006
You asked:
"Who is killing and torturing hundreds of muslims every day in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

The answer is Muslim suicide bombers.
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
21 Feb 2006
Western media, USA & EUsays that they are super power, no only the super power is ALLAH. Any non-muslim can be a sincere friend of muslim. It is only show off that muslims and non-muslim are freinds. Never, it can't be becaucse ALLAH says in Holy Quran that never depend them. Western media appears themselves as a civilized world, no they are not. Terrorism around the world starts from USA, Europe and their states. Now they are showing themselves polished as civilzed citizens, which shows that they are complexed and afraid by the muslims
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
21 Feb 2006
Just take Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Osama bin Laden's principal deputy, at his word when he says,

"Killing the infidels is our religion, slaughtering them is our religion, until they convert to Islam or pay us tribute."
Re: When Freedom of Expression Becomes a Weapon
21 Feb 2006
I'm sorry for my mistake.I meant to say the USA is tormenting Iraq to please the zionist extremists in Israel and America.AIPAC owns our congress and can make our greedy government go to war for Israel.We have the best government money can buy.
Is this worthy killing over
22 Feb 2006
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