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Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
05 Apr 2006
Several Palestine solidarity activists protested a traveling recruitment fair for the Jewish state on Monday at BUs Marsh chapel. It was the fourth anniversary of the invasion and massacre in the Jenin refugee camp and the open presence of supporters of the apartheid occupation regime in Palestine was particularly offensive.
(http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/outrageous/Jenindozer.asp)
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We were joined at times by friends and a large gathering of Arab students who thanked us for our effort. Several of the Zionists who all clearly did not have a middle eastern bone in their bodies expressed shock that we had the audacity to challenge their “God given” title to a country that they ruthlessly stole from its murdered or refugeed inhabitants.

The BU police who had previously gotten front page coverage for assaulting, robbing and stalking a protester stayed clear of our demo. A BU paddy wagon and plain clothes cops were mobilized to enjoy some traditional Arab falafel sandwiches remarketed as “Israeli food”.

Ironically a million Arab Gazans are currently being starved to death by a military siege that has suffocated their society since the unilateral declaration of the Jewish state in 1948. The people of Palestine are increasingly being collectively punished for a landside election favoring the Hamas party that has daily worked to feed tens of thousands in Gaza’s concentrated camps of refugees and to organize community defense.(http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/702044.html)

The rise of Hamas, the success of the Iraqi resistance and the capture of pro Israeli operatives in the US government has exposed the hold of Zionist influence on U.S. national policy.(http://www.washington-report.org/archives/March_2006/0603028.html)

The Jewish lobby that many have long suspected of co opting American foreign policy and military objectives then stifling domestic debate is the subject of recent Harvard researchers paper.(http://www.alternet.org/audits/34416/)(http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/28851)

Daily resistance to occupation is rising in Palestine and the Intifada that shook the west bank has gone global. Who knows what this spring will bring.
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Re: Palestine demo. gets noticed at BU on Monday.
05 Apr 2006
CAS freshman Alexandra Baych gets a henna tattoo at Marsh Plaza Monday during Israeli Culture festivities, hosted by Boston University Students for Israel.
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Marsh festival showcases Israeli culture
Palestinian supporters engage festival in protest
Katelyn Boller
Posted: 4/4/06
Drawn by the smell of falafel, hundreds of Boston University students experienced Israeli culture firsthand at the Israel Fair on Marsh Plaza Monday afternoon.

Participants also witnessed a microcosm of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as local supporters of the two sides of the age-old conflict protested peacefully against each other on the plaza.

Holding Palestinian flags, signs and a "Free Palestine" banner, supporters of Palestine questioned the students' celebration of the country's culture.

Some fair participants said they were frustrated by the presence of the protesters at the fair.

"It's very disrespectful for them to come disturb us," shopkeeper Shuki Benisrael said. "We leave them alone, they should leave us alone."

Others, like CAS sophomore Jennifer Topol, said they were confused of the protesters' presence.

"I didn't expect there to be protesters at Israel Day," she said.

The fair began the festivities of Israeli Culture Week, hosted by BU Students for Israel. Celebrating 58 years of Israeli independence, BUSI planned a variety of events for the week to showcase all aspects of Israeli culture.

"I think anyone who knows a little about Israel knows it's more than conflict," Hamagshimim group member Lihi Zabari said. "We don't mind [the protesters], they can say what they want."

Students were drawn to the fair by activities such as henna tattooing and Dead Sea mud masks but stayed to learn more about Israel.

"I was on the T and the big 'free henna' sign caught my eye," College of Arts and Sciences sophomore Emory Burks. "I looked around a bit and took home an informational CD."

The $1 falafel was the most popular table, selling out before the fair ended.

"I was just walking past when I smelled food," CAS senior Harbir Singh said. "I thought I would see what was going on."

The fair also included Israeli goods and beaded necklaces with students' names in Hebrew. Students entered raffles to win money toward a trip to Israel and other Israeli prizes.

By allowing students to experience the cultural aspects of Israel, BUSI members said they hope to break down stereotypes many people hold about Israel.

"Israel is about diversity," BUSI Senior Advisor and CAS senior Chloe Markowitz said. "That's what we want to show in this week. The goal is to have students realize Israel is not just about being Jewish."

BUSI Public Relations Vice President Dena Lewittes said Israel offers many cultural options to all kinds of people.

"Israel has a very distinct culture," the College of Communication freshman said. "We want to spread that around."

Hillel Program Associate Seth Kroll said BUSI aims to showcase a lighter side of Israel than what appears in the news.

"A lot of times in the media, Israel is portrayed in a political context, not a cultural context," he said.

BUSI members said they hope students will not only take away the culture of Israel from this week but also become more educated about the country.

"To have a positive association with Israel is what's really important," USD and Hagshama group member Nina Robinson said.
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Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine demo gets noticed at BU on Monday.
05 Apr 2006
"It was the fourth anniversary of the invasion and massacre "

LOL!!! Every time an arab loses a battle, it's a "massacre"
The real crime is what preceeded the Jenin incursion. The PASSOVER MASSACRE. 75 Jews at a religious meal slaughtered by a peaceful palestinian suicide bomber.
In Jenin 56 fighting men were killed.
The "palewstinians" used a 10 year old boy loaded with explosives. When Israeli soldiers tried to help get the kid out of the fire zone, his DAD blew him up via remote control along with 13 israeli soldiers...NOW THAT's a Massacre
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine demo gets noticed at BU on Monday.
05 Apr 2006
In the latest uprissing against the ZIonist's continueing murderous theft of more and more Palestinian lands, Zionists murdered over 180 Palestinians BEFORE the suicide bombers started defedning thier loved ones. And Thousands of palestinians were wounded BEFORE the suicide bombers started up. And the ZIonists and thier enablers try to scapegoat the Palestinian suicide bombers for the hostilities created in the ZIonist bloodsoaked war of conquest. It never changes. Like the destruction of Lidice wasn't caused by the Nazi's war against Czechoslovakia. It was the Czech freedom fighters responding to Nazi offenses that caused the hostilities. Right. what a load of crap.

Zionists want to talk about how thier culture as a means to ignore the fact that Zionists ARE murderous thieves and that "Israel" IS Zionist occupied Palestine. They would have the braindead believe that ZIonists have a birthright of murderous theft because Jews are such good people.

"58 years of independence"??? Independece from whom, the Palestinian vioctims of thier invasion???

"age old conflict"??? The Zionists invasion is less than 100 years old. Hebrews spent 183 years slaughtering and enslaving the locals. The ZIonist invasion and occupation isn't even as old as the Hebrew's invasion was. "age old conflict" makes it sound as if both sides are equals while in reality, Zionists are murderous thieving invadors of the Palestinian's homeland.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine demo gets noticed at BU on Monday.
05 Apr 2006
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"58 years of independence"??? Independece from whom"

Independence from anti-semites who've enjoyed killing jews for 2000 years., oh ,and independence from the Troll too.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
05 Apr 2006
this is atrocious that this website would give any credence to the discredited allegation that there was any massacre by the Israelis in Jenin.. Israelis took care not to harm civilians, taking unnecessary casualties. Not once in 50 years of war has any Arab force, Palestinian or not, taken any care to avoid civilian casualites. The shelling of Jerusalem in 1948 and massacres at several kibbutizm by Palesitnian guerilla forces and Iraqis that year are examples. Also the unnecessary shelling of Jewish Jerusalem by the Jordanians in 1967 which led to the occupation of the West Bank to begin with. Jordan could have stayed out of the war, and was urged to do so by Israel.

In any event, the Jenin battle was no massacre; independent journalists confirmed this as soon as the shooting stopped. The Palesitnians cannot accept the consequences of violent acts: it is OK for them to sponsor suicide bombing or shelling of Israel from Gaza and other Palestinian enclaves, but it is not OK for Israelis to defend themeselves. Perhaps the reason is that the Palestinians believe the drivel that they read like the Elders of the Prototcols of Zion and other anti-Semitic junk that litters the mainstream Palestinian media. The Palestinians on the one hand call the Jews "Nazis", on the other hand think that the Jews are pasty faced meek scholars of Torah scheming to dirnk Gentile blood. The latter canard implies that Jews don't fight fair. So when there are efforts to apprehend Jew killers, the killers cry "Foul". It's what cowards do.

Regardless of what the eager to be demented and deceived Left screams about the non-massacre at Jenin, Israel is not going away, killings of Jewish civilians is going to cause reprisals.

Sorry, its not your ghetto Jew cowering behind the yeshiva walls while the Cossaks attack. The poor Palestinians. They can't have the fun that the Russians and Nazis had. And they blew numerous chances to have most of Palestine peacefully. And now they have Hamas. What signal does that send? That Israelis should start swimming to New York? I don't think so.

No Jenin massacre comrades. In fact lefties, don't get too enthusiastic about the Palestinians these days. Hamas/Al Queda/Hezbollah aren't big on communists, atheists, feminists or gays.
But hey, what do I know? Walk down the streets of Ramallah smooching in a tank top with Che T shirts for all I care. Just don't blame the Jews when you're raped, tortured or killed.
Once Again: Zionism is NOT Judaism
05 Apr 2006
Take it from Rabbi Goldstein:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1456.htm

Zionists are real assholes. They bombed synagogues and killed Jews all around the middle east when everyone was fine with Jews in order to scare them into joining their godless political project. Religious Jews fought the Zionists but failed, in part because of the Zionists' collaboration with Nazis:

Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis

By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, Reviewed by Sara Powell

It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperation with the Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a new Jewish nation.
In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is organized into five sections which lead the reader through early, pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis. Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however, are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists today are so organized and experienced in their public relations efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the same concept.

51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their threatened European brethren.

From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb. 18, 1943:

And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod (Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said: “No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein, “assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29). Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists. Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and, therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book, another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S. supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when examining Zionism.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
05 Apr 2006
I was in Jenin, in early May 2002. I walked through the area levelled by the Israelis a month earlier.

It should be made clear that the levelling was not of Jenin town itself, but of the refugee quarter.

And that quarter was LEVELLED. I mean, LEVELLED (total area of about four city blocks). Nothing left, in that zone. An area formerly crowded with 4-story, intensely populated buildings. I realize that this was in response to an Israeli infantry squad being ambushed, with 17 soldiers killed.

Civilians in the Jenin refugee camp were given no chance. Israeli bullhorns ordered them to vacate their residences within three minutes, or face consequences. At the time, bullets were flying, tanks were shelling.... would you vacate your home under such conditions? People were being mowed down in the street. I saw broken wheelchairs, children's dolls, prams, crutches, everything, intermingled with the rubble...

In Israel, when bombs went off, ambulances arrived to tend to the wounded and dead, but in Jenin, they were prevented access by the IDF... if the IDF doesn't want to deal with shit like that, then they shouldn't have been occupying the area in the first place.

Based upon what I saw in Jenin, the official Palestinian death toll of 65 at that time had to be low. Four-story buildings had been knocked down by armored D4's, by Apache rocketing, and by Merkava shelling, concrete floors piled upon concret floors, with rescue and recovery efforts impossible due to constant bombardment...

And when I was there, Nagmashes and Merkavas and Apaches were still consistently firing and shelling. Palestinian fighters sporadically responded with AK fire. Civilians caught in the middle... give me a break; that's a massacre. If the IDF doesn't want it to be called that, then don't occupy, or at least, give greater access to internationals llike the ICRC and UNRWRA.

Even if you're a hardcore Zionist expansionist (and note the qualifiers, because Israelis are real divided on occupation), destroying the central part of the Jenin refugee camp was conduct unbecoming a civilized nation.

And who cares if suicide operations originated there? Would you excuse the levelling of entire Vietnamese villages because a few VC operated out of there?

What's so threatening about calling a massacre a massacre?
Free Knows Assholes
05 Apr 2006
"Zionists are all assholes" quoth ye. And who pray tell is a Zionist? Everyone who supports a Jewish State? Everyone who agrees that Israel has a right of self-defense? Everyone who lives in Israel, including those who disagree with government policies from time to time? Americans who support Israel who participate in programs to enhance Palestinian-Israeli cooperation (these programs are never initiated by Arabs and Arabs outside of Israel would be killed or jailed if they participate in a summer camp or conference with Israelis).

Practically all affiliated Jews support the Jewish State without necessarily agreeing with every political decision of Israel? Are they all assholes?

And what about the Jews who have lilved in Israel for over 2,000 years since the destruction of the Second Temple? Assholes?

Something stinks.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
05 Apr 2006
"UNRWRA"

Hey, that reminds me, if you're ever looking for a kassam missle, check with the UNRWRA. The arab peace factories are always in UN controlled areas.
Misquote all you want, feller
06 Apr 2006
I think quothed he, "real assholes" not "all assholes".

In any case, the "Jewish State" as you call it is actually a "Zionist State". It has no legitimate claim to exist, as it flies in the face of the principle of self-determination of the people, including Jews, who lived in the land in peace until the Zionists came along with their racist project.

Spin it like mad if you want, but that's the sad fact. I used to think Israel had a right to exist, but the more I learn the more I realize what a mistake that was. Nothing to do with Jews, they also suffer from the Zionist state's actions. Keep lying, spying, and denying. Doesn't change the truth or the facts.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
06 Apr 2006
"it seem as if only evil whack-jobs oppose Israel-"

This of course is not true. Regular non-evil whack jobs also oppose Israel and support the"palestinians" in their "peace" efforts
Re: Palestine Demo Noticed at BU
06 Apr 2006
"Recounting his relentless, horrifying degradation as a German Jew in the first eight years of Hitler's rule--from 1933 to 1941 "I cannot help myself," Klemperer writes on 2 November 1933, nine months after Hitler became Chancellor of Germany. "I sympathise with the Arabs who are in revolt (in Palestine), whose land is being 'bought'. A Red Indian fate, says Eva."


Even more devastating is Klemperer's critique of Zionism--which he does not ameliorate even after Hitler's Holocaust of the Jews of Europe begins. "To me," he writes in June of 1934, "the Zionists, who want to go back to the Jewish state of AD70 ... are just as offensive as the Nazis. With their nosing after blood, their ancient 'cultural roots', their partly canting, partly obtuse winding back of the world they are altogether a match for the National Socialists..." See ….http://www.counterpunch.org/
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
06 Apr 2006
First the AIPAC spy ring scandal is made public.Then the Jack Abramoff scandal.Then Larry Summers is forced to resign as president of Harvard for his zionist extremist agenda and criminal business deals.Then Allan Dershowitz is forced to publically admit that anti-zionism is not anti-semitic.Then 4 jewish zionist college students are arrested for burning down 10 christian churches and will be charged for hate crimes.Americans are begining to see that zionism is a dangerous,racist,criminal ideology that promotes hate against christians,muslims,jews and anyone that is critical of Israel.Most of the American christian churches have divested from all corporations doing business with Israel.Americans are sick of zionism and are uniting together to expose them and prosecute them. America shouldn't support Israel's crimes .Stop all aid to Israel.Towns,colleges,churches,are all divesting from Israel.Our movement is growing and we will not stop until the Israeli occupation ends.Did you know that zionists have threatened to burn down christian churhes for divesting from Israel? The zionists have even tried to stop the Play in NYC about Rachel Corries life{the American who was killed by an Isreali soldier for sitting in front of a bulldozer that was going to destroy a Palestinian home}.In America Palestinian activists have been threatened and assaulted by zionists.These zionist extremists will not stop Americans from helping the Palestinians.The stronger our movement becomes the more angry and scared the zionists become.Thank you for protesting at BU and keep up the good work!! Public humiliation works.The zionists hate to be exposed for their crimes.Americans are uniting against zionism like never before!
the jenin massacre myth and putative "liar[s]"
06 Apr 2006
a passionate advocate who errs is not a liar. That word is tossed about too much. Advocates look for facts and laws that favor their cause; ignore or downplay the contrary. The word "liar" when used to rebut an opponent's arguments connotes an unwillingness to believe that an opponent might be wrong but moral. Evil thus equates opposition. That seems to be the tone of the anti-Jewish lobby on this site.

As to the facts: UN and independent investigations since 2002 repeatedly demonstrate that there was no Jenisn "massacre". A battle yes. The UN recognizes that Israel responded to "terrorist" (UN's language) assaults on civilians that originated in Jenin. The UN is critical of some proportionality of the Israel response; but there is absolutely no finding that the fighting was a deliberate attempt to butcher Palestinians. In other words, the fighting was ot the equivalent of the suicide bombings that Hamas, Al Aqsa Brigade and certain PA elements supported then and now. Palestinian casualties were wildly exaggerated by the PA and the UN found far fewer casualties than the PA and the liberal media like the NY Times initially reported without independent verifications..

Exaggeration of reality has served the Palestinians poortly since 1947 when the UN authorized the creation of the Jewish state, an action which the overwhelming majority of Ameiricans and the world recognize as legitimate. Unwillingness to face realities has resulted in territorial losses and casualties that could have been avoided by acceptance of the reality that the Middle East is not an exclusively Arab enclave. The existence of a de facto Kurdish state today is another example of how Arab natonalism carried to bigoted and intolerant ends can lead to the creation of non-Arab states in a Middle East that never was exclusively Arab to begin with.

Several comments on this thread express what fairly can be termed hatred for a majority Jewish State. Yet this State is recognized by many progressive and secular Arab leaders and intellectuals. Certainly the borders issues are legitimate and I would welcome a more proactive stance by the Israeli government and public concerning civil rights of the twenty percent of Israel's citizens who are Arab. Many in Israel are concerned about Arab civil rights, unlike any concern in the Arab world about the civil rights of millions of Jews who were long-time citizens of Arab states . These Levantine/Sephardic Jews were expelled or assaulted regardless of the myth that they were afforded toleration by Arab society. In fact, Islamic society has always practiced discrimination and segregation against non-Muslim residents of Islamic nations.

Matters however about alleged Israeli civil rights violations should be and can be discussed, demonstrated about and argued in Israel, even in its Parliament without the imprisonment, torture and execution that would face civl rights advocates in practically all Arab states. (Ex: Lebanon, Syria, Saddam's Iraq and Saudi Arabia.)

Rational discussion without the rancor of Israel haters would better serve this site as well.

Finally, I do doubt anyone who has commented here so far is a liar; but nevertheless, there was no massacre in Jenin.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
06 Apr 2006
the Holocaust massacre myth and putative "liar[s]"
by Seller

a passionate Jewish state advocate who errs is not a liar. That word is tossed about too much. Jewish only state advocates look for facts and laws that favor their cause; ignore or downplay the contrary. The word "liar" when used to rebut an zionists arguments connotes an unwillingness to believe that an opponent might be wrong but moral. Evil thus equates opposition. That seems to be the tone of the anti-Jewish lobby on this site.

As to the facts: UN and independent investigations since 2002 repeatedly demonstrate that there was no jewish "holocaust" during world war 2. A battle yes, against terrorism.

The UN recognizes that palestine responded to "terrorist" (UN's language) assaults on civilians that originated in europe and new york. The UN is critical of some proportionality of the local response; but there is absolutely no finding that the fighting was a deliberate attempt to butcher civilan colonists. In other words, the fighting was of the equivalent of the ghetto uprisings.

Jewish colonists casualties were wildly exaggerated by the media like the NY Times initially reported without independent verifications..

Exaggeration of reality has served the Jewish only state poortly since 1947 when the every sane person opposed the creation of the Jewish only state, an action which the overwhelming majority of Ameiricans and the world recognize as illegitimate. Unwillingness to face realities has resulted in territorial losses and casualties that could have been avoided by acceptance of the reality that the Middle East is not fit for an exclusively Jewish walled disco.

The existence of a de facto Jewish only state today is another example of how Jewish natonalism carried to bigoted and intolerant ends can lead to the creation of a state in a Middle East that never was exclusively Jewish to begin with.

Several comments on this thread express what fairly can be termed hatred for racist supreamist violent Jewish nationalism. Yet this State is recognized by many progressive and secular leaders and intellectuals. Certainly the arab land ownership issues are legitimate and I would welcome a more proactive stance by the world and public concerning civil rights of the 80 percent of palestines citizens who are Arab refuges. Many in Palestine are concerned about refugees civil rights, unlike any concern in the Jewish world about the civil rights of millions who were long-time citizens of Palestine .

The Levantine/Sephardic Jews who were targeted or assaulted by zionists to prop up the jewish only state regardless of the myth that they were afforded intoleration by Arab society. In fact, Jewish society has always practiced discrimination and segregation against non jewish residents of host nations.

Matters however about alleged Israeli civil rights violations should be and can be discussed, demonstrated about and argued in Israel, unless you are arab. Even its jewish Parliament advocates imprisonment, torture and execution that would face civl rights out cries in practically all states.

Rational discussion without the rancor of Palestine haters would better serve this site as well.

Finally, I do doubt anyone who has commented here so far is a liar; but nevertheless, there was no massacre of jews in europe.
So, Rabbi G NOT a liar, Zionists DID murder Jews and implicate Arabs falsely?
07 Apr 2006
I mean, that much IS true, isn't it, regardless of what anyone else says about Jenin or anything else?
rabbi on one foot
07 Apr 2006
by adolescence, most adjustd kids know the difference between "liar", a word pre-adolescents use to descrbe other kids who disagree, and "different" or "diverse". the same for murder.

if you want to raise money for israeli causes, there is a flush future for you. i couldn't have invented a better stereotype. your circular, meaning-challenged words will be put to effective use.

ironic, eh?

thanks for your help.
I'll have the evasion, with a snide of insult, please!
07 Apr 2006
OK, just as I suspected! The answer to the question above should by now be obvious.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
07 Apr 2006
i'm going to listen again to Rabbi Goldstein's lecture on www.informationclearinghouse.info again and see what it sounds like he was saying...

if it will help improve the tone, I should say that EXTREMIST Zionists have in the past caused the deaths of people who were Jewish in order to advance their highly political and not uncontroversial cause.

But I wis giving it the fox News treatment to make a point. What you are talking about, the engineering of "faux-dialogue" for the purpose of profiting through hatemongering is pretty low. And I'll add that Mr. Hatler above is a bit over the top.

I'm on the side of both religious and extreme-left (anarchist) Jews, who are never given a voice, so that the debate in America at least is polarized to the extreme. I'm not responsible for that fact so blame www.alllies.org for helping me see the light.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
09 Apr 2006
An anniversary celebration for something that never happened.Coincidentally, it's also the anniversary of the Passover Massacre, which did happen and was the direct cause for the incursion into Jenin.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
10 Apr 2006
Don't waste your time with zionists.They're such cowards they never use their real names or websites.I don't blame them for hiding ,because their arguments are so twisted and lame.They should be ashamed !!
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
10 Apr 2006
"Palestine would be an independent country right now if it were not for the murderous pig Yassir Arafat."

It could have benn a state in 1948 if it weren't for Arab expansionism and the desire to continue the work of their allies http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com'
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
13 Apr 2006
Is Rabbi G ashamed?
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
13 Apr 2006
And once again we see the lies of the arabs supporters like David Katler:

"then 4 jewish zionist college students are arrested for burning down 10 christian churches and will be charged for hate crimes." Also Summers quit because he could not get anything done since entrenched zelots refused to try anything novel like actually teach the classes they were assigned rather than pass on to TA/GAs. He also quit because he stood behind his decission to no placate the fashionable arab terror supporters in the University.

And Palmer really is either an idiot or also a individual that knows when he his lying. The arabs have admitted that only 53 of their people died in the Jenin slumms and most of them they also claimed to be fighters with weapons in their hands. Yes the buildings the gunmen were shooting from were damaged durring the fighting.

They were christians that burned down the churches.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
13 Apr 2006
people who say "the arabs" tend not to like "the arabs very much"

it's like nazis who go around saying the jews did this the jews do that. but for them it's the arabs lie, the arabs steal. yep, that holy land is always gonna be real f**ing holy! what a joke.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
15 Apr 2006
The Arabs blow shit up. That is an undeniable fact. The Arabs...particularly Muslim arabs blow up children in Pizza parlors. They have not earned the right to have their own country. They are uncivilized barbarians.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
16 Apr 2006
I know that we are the chosen people of god and that god speaks to us.The Bible tells me so.We are superior to all other races and religions.God gave us the holy land,not the Muslims or Christians.We are the most powerful force on the planet and nothing will stop us.We control America and get whatever we want.Billions of tax dollars and all the weapons we need.We will destroy anyone who dares to try to stop our holy war against the infidels.The middle east will be ours,for it is written in the Bible.We have the nukes and we will use them.
Please Delete Please Delete
17 Apr 2006
the immediate prior "Feller" post is an obvious fake. Again,note the pedestrian, simple syntax and voabulary. It portrays a stereotypical Jewsih postion: Jews right and everyone else wrong. The true feller, me, who cannot use the appellation "feller" because of momentary censorship issues, respectfully requests that this posting be deleted simultaneosly with the prior "feller" post. I think we kn@w who flipped feller's good name about.

Respectfully,

"Ur"-Feller
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
19 Apr 2006
The previous comment isn't the real Feller and this anti-zionist should stop it.I love Israel and I'm proud to say so.Of course we our God's chosen people and should do whatever it takes to have complete control over the middle east and destroy our enemies.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
20 Apr 2006
Comment here by feller "this is atrocious that this website would give any credence to the discredited allegation that there was any massacre by the Israelis in Jenin.. Israelis took care not to harm civilians, taking unnecessary casualties."

Hello.. if this is the case.. why were doctors/reporters/UN no one was allowed in ? The fact is when the Aid did reach Jenin.. it was reported by the western media that the stench of dead bodies was something that thye had never experienced under any conditions etc... Why the F..k dont you wake up and start telling the truth.

You pollute the world .. its time for a clean up.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
20 Apr 2006
Listen "LooKer@", I never said what you just claimed I did. Didn't you read my disclaimer? Look at the syntax, you cognitively challenged learning disabled robot.
Re: Jenin Anniversary Palestine Demo Gets Noticed at BU on Monday
20 Apr 2006
Listen LooKera or wh@tever you are, the UN not me said there was no massacre at Jenin. These people (Israelis, Palestinians) DONT LIKE EACH OTHER. They are fighting a war. There a bodies in war. They stink. Really they do. If I am in my house with my gun and I am chasing a burglar, you Loo do not want to come in the front door at that time looking for a cup of sugar. Nor am I going to invite you over until I kill or chase the burglar away.

Well, you can come over. But you'd better be armed.