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LaRouche avoids Rumsfeld at Kuwaiti Embassy function (english)
06 Mar 2003
Modified: 07 Mar 2003
Lyndon LaRouche was guest of honor at a Kuwaiti Embassy function in Washington last week.

RENSE: And Mr. Rumsfeld came up and shook your hand, and said,
"How are you, Lyndon?"?

LAROUCHE: No, he did not. Rumsfeld was a flying object, without
wings, that somehow winged in, and winged out, without wings...."
Unedited transcript

LaRouche interview with Jeff Rense,
Internet Radio Program,
February 27, 2003

JEFF RENSE: ... (picks up in mid-sentence) respect and honor that
I think really are reserved for the highest-level American
politicians. You have a very unique position.

LAROUCHE: Well, actually among some American politicians, these
circles, also, what you have is noisy characters in the DNC, for
example...

RENSE: Noisy characters, I like that.

LAROUCHE: They don't really represent anything, except Lieberman
and Gore. But the real Democrats, as well as some of the real
Republicans, are very concerned with these issues of economy, the
war, and so forth. But you just don't get the play in the U.S.
press. I would say that generally the U.S. mass media, both the
entertainment media and the so-called news media, is far worse in
the United States, than any part of Europe, even in the British
Isles.

RENSE: I just had an e-mail from a friend who lives in
Switzerland, saying much the same thing. That it is shocking, the
difference. Americans would be just slack-jawed with amazement at
how much they are in the dark over here.

LAROUCHE: This is really -- we're sort of under the rule of
Goebbels, Joseph Goebbels, in terms of ... and Heinrich Himmler,
in terms of Justice Department, and new media, mass news media.
It's only around the corners that you get some leakage of truth.

RENSE: Last night, you were an honored guest at a -- as I
mentioned before you joined us -- at a very unusual location, at
the Kuwaiti Embassy in Washington. A celebration, attended also
by Donald Rumsfeld. What an evening that must have been! Tell us
about it.

LAROUCHE: Oh, it was just a lot of fun. I was treated cordially
by the Ambassador and his wife, and received very kindly. And I
mixed with the crowd, especially with people who know me, and who
wanted an opportunity just to shake hands, and exchange a few
words. And a few Americans as well. So we had a generally useful
time. It last for about an hour and three quarters, before it
began to break up, as these things do, and then I was on my way
to sleepy-land. A very nice event. A very pleasing event.

RENSE: And Mr. Rumsfeld came up and shook your hand, and said,
"How are you, Lyndon?"?

LAROUCHE: No, he did not. Rumsfeld was a flying object, without
wings, that somehow winged in, and winged out, without wings. And
I manage to avoid him. I didn't think there was any profit in our
exchanges. I missed a couple of other people, but there were a
lot of old friends, and some very good people there, and it was a
good opportunity to

RENSE: Lyndon, what was Rumsfeld's energy like? Did he come in
with a coterie of security, and sort of whisk around the room?

LAROUCHE: Well, I came in as one of the featured guests of the
Embassy, and shortly after I had entered, and gone through this,
received by the Ambassador and his wife, and the military coterie
around him, they took me downstairs. Then shortly after that,
Rumsfeld came in. Well, I went to the other end of this... it was
at the Willard Hotel; I went to the other end of the premises,
where I ran into people that knew me; we were talking. In the
meantime, I was advised by someone with me, Rumsfeld is in here.
(laughs) I made no effort to go over and shake his hand. Didn't
seem...

RENSE: Yes, we understand how that might happen.
Everybody knows that certainly hundreds of thousands of
military men and women, from the United States, and the UK, are
over there, poised now, ready to invade. Time is running out. The
clock is ticking. It will start to get warm there in a few weeks.
The Kuwaitis aren't exactly allowed to enter, I am told, the
northern half of their country right now. They're sort of
screened out of it, where all these staging bases are located.
What were the Kuwaits doing inviting you to a big function last
night, like that? It's unusual...

LAROUCHE: Well, if you look at the international Arab press, and
some other, that over the past couple of years, I've become a
regular celebrity throughout much of the Islamic world, and
elsewhere. That there is not a week that passes, that much of
that press, in various parts of the world, does not feature
something by me, on me, etc.

RENSE: Well, that underscores the point I tried to make earlier.
You have a very high profile internationally.

LAROUCHE: And also, our friends in India, there's attention to me
regularly in China, in Russia, and many parts of Europe.

RENSE: Does that irk the State Department at all? Have you had
any people squabbling about that?

LAROUCHE: (laughs) Well, some people in the State Department. You
know, Bolton and Wurmser, for example, these are really two foul
balls, who are fairly high ranking in the State Department, and
they and their friends don't like me at all.
But look, you know the United States is divided in terms of
the things that cut into the Presidency, both from the private
sector, and from institutions of government. And in these
circles, we have a lot of friends. The actual number of, shall I
say, punks, who are pushing this war projects, is actually a
limited number of people, whose background is associations with
organized crime! So, (laughs) they're thugs, and thugs, and
they're also mostly draft dodgers. During his time, of course,
Rumsfeld did serve as a pilot, but I say now he's flying without
wings.

RENSE: I get it now. Okay.

LAROUCHE: So, we call them the Chickenhawks, because they're
draft-dodgers who want war. But it's a limited number of people.
They're fanatics, they're vicious, they're tied to organized
crime. They don't represent the United States. The majority of
people in the United States don't want this war. Europe doesn't
want it. The world doesn't want. The British are about to
overthrow their government, the Blair government, over -- he's
made himself extremely unpopular in the United Kingdom, not only
in the Labor Party, his own party, but also among Conservatives,
and among senior military figures.

RENSE: His party is in open revolt, basically right now. He's had
to backtrack, and at least start talking diplomatically again,
rather than like some kind of a poodle on the leash, as he's
called sometime.

LAROUCHE: He may be dumped, you know. I don't that he will be.
But all the factors are there, where all the experts agree this
guy is ready for the chopping block.

RENSE: God, it sure sounds like it. All right, now you've been to
France and Germany lately. Their position, vis-a-vis no war, or
at least extended inspections, came as no surprise to you. It did
seem to catch a lot of Americans off guard. There were some
editorials about how dare France and Germany take this position,
after we saved their bacon in two world wars, and on and on. Give
us a perspective from France and Germany, if you will. Let's talk
about France first, Lyndon.

LAROUCHE: Well, they all go together, because the thing happened
as a joint effort. Despite the fact that the Premier in Italy,
Prime Minister Berlusconi, is nominally tied to Bush, he's also
under U.S. blackmail, which may explain his ties. I mean, there's
legal blackmail against him, of the type that was run against
Andreotti, a former prime miniser of Italy.

RENSE: Just as quick aside, it is suggested by some now, that
blackmail and such have never been at higher profiles, and more
thorough, in and out of government here, not only in this
country, but elsewhere.
Stand by, would you please, Lyndon? We have to pause for
just a moment. We'll come right back with Democratic Presidential
candidate Lyndon LaRouche, in a just a couple of minutes....

- [commercial break] -

RENSE: ... few other candidates can boast about. You mentioned
thugs and punks, having certainly taken over the Executive
Branch, at least, of this government. Would you, where do we draw
the line between a usurpation of the Constitution, or a, hate to
use the term "coup," but it's kind of close. How do you term it?
How do you ...

LAROUCHE: It is close to a coup. It's this crowd. Remember, we've
undergone a change in our economy, our political structure, and
other things, over the past period, since about 1964, and in the
economy, especially since 1971, since August of 1971. Now, in
this period, the charcter of the country, its social, economic
character, has changed. We used to be the world's leading
producer society. We were the most productive per capita of any
nation in the world. That was something which Roosevelt restored
us to, and enhanced. But then, about the middle of the 1960s, we
underwent a cultural change, sometimes called a cultural paradigm
shift. As a result of this, and of what happened under Nixon, in
1971, we became a consumer society, rather than a producer
society. We began living on the rest of the world. We covered up
how bad we were becoming, by sheer fakery in our statistical
operations. And so forth.
And so therefore the lower 80 percent of our family income
brackets, have essentially been discarded. They've been thrown to
the wolves.

RENSE: Right, they're gone.

LAROUCHE: And so, you have the politics of both the Democratic
and Republican party today, are dominated, on the one hand, by
what Nixon and company called the Southern Strategy, which is an
orientation toward the pro-Confederacy tendencies in the Old
South. Whereas the similar thing developed about 1981 around the
Democratic party, especially around someone who had an organized
crime background, who took over control of much of the party,
through the Democratic Leadership Council. And so therefore, you
have the parties, the two major parties, are dominated, in terms
of their party organization, not necessarily in the Congress, but
in the party organization, they're dominated by people who came
from backgrounds which we used to say, arise from rackets, to
respectability, ... from riches to respectability, and I would
say despicability. And these types have taken over control of
much influence in our economy, because of the collapse of
industry, the collapse of private entrepreneurship and other
things, which previously determined the political character of
our country.

RENSE: And right along with that, of course, is the
collapse, and degradation, of what used to be a remarkably strong
moral society.

LAROUCHE: Yeah. Well, when you believe in a productive society,
you have a sense of identity that you're doing something, as a
person, which is useful, for society.

RENSE: Worthy. Correct, yeah.

LAROUCHE: Either as a productive operator, or farmer, or
industrial operative.

RENSE: Well, you have a sense of worth, societal worth. Right.
Let me jump to another corollary here.
You mentioned the shift to a consuming society. We all know
that happened. It was a rather quick process, when you look at
the totality of the history of this nation. Was that a natural
progression, Lyn?

LAROUCHE: NO.

RENSE: ... of a nation that became fat and sassy, and began just
to gorge on its own largesse, or was it more than that, and was
it manipulated, to a large degree, by some of these people , who
are very smart?

LAROUCHE: Yeah, it was. It was actually an orchestrated change.
It was already in process in, well, from the time Roosevelt, the
1944 Democratic convention, where Truman was brought in. Which
was the beginning of a shift.
Now, at that time, as some people know, the United States
had gone through an experience, under Roosevelt, where the people
of the country were pro-Roosevelt, and you couldn't dump the
Roosevelt legacy so quickly. But steps in that direction, began
about that time. In the 1960s, that change became effective, as
the Baby Boomer generation came toward maturity.

RENSE: And, what role did the removal of John Kennedy play in
that shift?

LAROUCHE: Well, that was part of it. Because Kennedy was
essentially committed, in his orientation, toward the idea of the
Roosevelt tradition. I don't think at the beginning he had a
clear understanding of that, but as we see, step by step, as he
was in the Presidency, he showed more and more of a comprehension
of what the Roosevelt tradition meant in practice. It was
necessary, on some people's part, to get rid of him. He was in
the way. They were moving in the direction we've now seen. We
went into the war in Vietnam, which was totally unnecessary,
unjustified.

RENSE: It was a lie, is what it was.

LAROUCHE: Well, it changed the whole character of the country. It
drove our youth, who were just coming into adulthood, that
generation, drove many of them into despair, and disorientation.
And it made possible a cultural paradigm shift, in the way people
chose their identity. They talked about production is bad,
farmers are bad, production is bad, let's have this consumer
society model, a post-industrial society. And that moral
change... it came in a couple of steps.

RENSE: Let's pause on that note. We have a little bit of time,
here, and let me remind you all that Lyndon LaRouche is running
for President. He is a Democratic candidate. You can support
him. I urge you to find out more about Lyndon. He is a remarkable
man, and just listening to him in this first half an hour, I
think if you pay attention to what you're hearing, and compare
and contrast that to perhaps the current occupant of the White
House, you'll see a vast gulf in terms of perspective, concepts,
certainly knowledge, and wisdom.
Okay, we're going to pause, and come right back in just a
couple minutes, with part two of our conversation tonight, with
Lyndon LaRouche. So, stay tuned.
- [commercial break} -

RENSE: Lyndon, I mentioned that we have a government here, which
certainly can be characterized as having usurped much of the
Constitutional process, and the basic rights upon which we
depend, to be a viable and functioning nation. Maybe the way to
phrase what happened here, in terms of economics, is a very
hostile corporate takeover of some kind. How do the Europeans
view the current White House Administration?

LAROUCHE: Well, they're looking at us as become an arrogant,
imperial entity, which is ruling the world, largely by military
power, not by economic power any more. As a matter of fact...

RENSE: Well, if you bribe everyone who won't come along with us,
that's obvious.

LAROUCHE: But we don't have the money to pay the bribes any more.

RENSE: Well, that's not going to slow anybody in Washington down.

LAROUCHE: They're going to keep trying to bribe, whether they
have... and they won't pay. That's also a part of this spectrum.
People, the world has discovered, the United States does not pay
its bribes.

RENSE: The checks will bounce. okay?

LAROUCHE: What do you expect? We are bankrupt, you know.

RENSE: We are, indeed.

LAROUCHE: So, but the way the Europeans, for example, look at
things increasingly, is in terms of economic crisis. In the
United States, the Administration and the mass media are doing
everything possible to try to pretend there is no financial
crisis. The financial crisis is actually here, already. We're in
a collapse. But the mass media...

RENSE: By the way, I want to give you credit, Lyndon, because you
were the first person to really go public with this years ago, in
the political arena, and you made it quite clear, there was no
equivocation at all, we were headed toward where we are now. And
I want to commend you for that.

LAROUCHE: Well, I didn't cause it, I just forecast it. (laughs)
So, the Europeans know that they... Now, take the case of
the United Kingdom. The people in the United Kingdom know that
the world economy is collapsing, that is, relevant people. They
know the idea of the war that George Bush has been talked into,
is idiocy. That's what they think, and that's what they say, when
they're privileged to speak frankly. They consider the United
States a pack of idiots, for being involved in this thing. They
also, at the same time, from the standpoint of national interest,
the United Kingdom people, most of them, realize they're in a
deep economic crisis. They know that the only way to deal with
that crisis, is to maintain cooperation with Western continental
Europe, and with Eastern nations, such as Russia, and China, and
so forth. So, therefore, they want to be there. They don't want
to be with the United States, cut off from Eurasia.
In the case of other parts of the world, as, say, Turkey,
Turkey wants to join the European Union. It does not want to be a
part of some broken-down country, on the edge of an American
imperium. Therefore, they're very reluctant to accept the
blackmail, which is coming from the United States.
And that's what's characteristic. China, India, Southeast
Asia, Korea, Japan, other countries, realize that the United
Staets is on a suicidal, stupid course, and they don't wish to be
part of it. They do wish to maintain proper relations with the
United States, but they're not buying into the economic policy,
or the strategic policies. They know they're stupid. And, we can
go to war -- the President can order us to go to war at any time
-- we've got enough in the Middle East, at least to raise a lot
of hell....

RENSE: What about that old notion, that Congress has to declare
war?

LAROUCHE: Oh, well, that's... Senator Byrd is right on that. This
is totally unconstitutional, what's going on. But, who's
challenging it?

RENSE: Right. Well, those men and women in Washington, most of
them check their spines at their door, when they go to work
everyday.

LAROUCHE: Well, some of them don't, but some of them, they don't
know what they can do.
See, I come in on this one, because someone has to say what
others may be not thinking yet, but would think, and will agree
with, as to what's going on. And therefore, around the
institutions of government, who all have to function as
institutions of government, or function in their relationship to
institutions of government, they have to be kind of discreet in
the way they approach.
In I step. I say, plainly, what's going on, and they're
happy that I say it, not them. (laughs)

RENSE: All right, well. Just so it gets said.

LAROUCHE: That's exactly. And I enjoy it. It gives me a sense of
a function in life, for the nation, as well as for some other
purposes.

RENSE: You are, in a way, a spokesman for the conscience of this
nation, at the level that most of the men and women in Washington
will not assume, and operate from.

LAROUCHE: Well, I think I dealt with in many reports, of what
kind of character you have to develop, to deal with this kind of
responsibility. I enjoy it, personally.

RENSE: Well, I can tell you do. Let me go back to Europe here, as
this drama continues to unfold. Russia, of course, France and
Germany, making noises that they don't approve. China does not
approve. They want more inspection time. They don't want war.
I have, for months, been toying with the concept that, as
the Russians did in Yugoslavia and Bosnia, they took the airport
at Pristina, with an advanced cadre of elite troops. Would it
surprise you, Lyndon, or is it completely off the wall, to think
that maybe somebody over there, will send in some troops, into
Baghdad, just a couple of hundred, or Basra, and say, "No war.
Inspection."

LAROUCHE: Well, there is some interesting talk going on,
including a very important fellow, a Russian, Primakov, who was
formerly foreign minister, prime minister, and so forth, at
various point. Very clever.

RENSE: Yeah, he just made a trip to Baghdad.

LAROUCHE: See, what we're going, a lot of us around the world,
and I'm sort of in the middle of this, we realize that the
President has gotten himself into a sitution that, on reflection,
he would not like to have. He realizes that he's been wingdinged
by his Vice-President, Dick Cheney, who is the central figure in
this fanatical war drive, inside the Administration. He probably
wants to get out of it. But because of his personality, because
of his sense of politics, he senses that he cannot back out of
it. That he would look bad, if he backed out. Particularly after
sending all these troops to the Middle East.
So, he wants out.

RENSE: Cowboys don't wimp out.

LAROUCHE: Well, so what our problem is, since he's the sitting
President, one of the problems on my plate, which I discuss with
other people, who independently have the same problem on their
plate, how do we define a package, where the President of the
United States, George Bush, can back out, of a war in the Middle
East, even at this late stage? And we're constantly... and the
Russians are helping us.

RENSE: Okay, very good. Let's pause on that note. Come right back
and take that thread up, with Lyndon LaRouche, in just a couple
minutes.
- [commercial break] -

RENSE: Jeff Rense, with Lyndon LaRouche. We're talking about
Russia, and perhaps some surprise in the works, or maybe a door
opening to allow George Bush, somehow a quasi-graceful exit from
this stage of conflict and death, which has been erected all
around us. Okay, Lyn, go ahead.

LAROUCHE: Well, for example, you've got on the borders of Iran,
and on Pakistan, Afghanistan, you've got an area of no-man's
lands, which are really nets of terrorists. And some people are
talking about taking those out. That is, they really are not
nationals of any country, they're a no-man's land. And taking
them out, because they're part of the terrorist operation. That's
one of the proposals that's floating around.
My view is, that, simply, that to get the economic issues on
the table, publicly, and to make it clear, that that is the
problem, not the so-called Iraq problem, or something like that.
And to get the country on reality. My view is that if the
American people are oriented toward reality, and think that their
government is actually considering, seriously, the reality of
this ongoing financial crisis, that they may, you may get a
political change shift, which enables the President to find ways
of gracefully getting out of this crazy war.

RENSE: All right, let me go back to my original thesis, and that
is, would it surprise you, that the Russians, or the Germans, or
the French, but most probably the Russians, who, I think, would
be the most likely to assume this profile, were to drop in,
airlift, whatever, a few hundred troops, and say, "We're going to
work with the United Nations inspectors, and help them do their
job. We don't want any conflict at this time, and this is how we
see it."

LAROUCHE: I don't think... They wouldn't do it as a surprise, at
this point. I mean, there might be conditions under which that
would happen, but I don't see that at the present. What I would
see is, that anything that the Russians do, they would, in a
sense, before acting, in such a manner, they would coordinate
with the United States, and diplomatically, to get agreement on
it. They would, however, put great pressure on the United States,
to accept such an agreement, such a way of getting out of this
mess.

RENSE: Okay, now, you are one of the few politicians who has
courage, and the intellectual honesty to tell it like it is. With
the passing, Lyndon, of almost each and every week now, it's
becoming more and more obvious to me, and I think most of our
listeners, that an outside political engine, has manipulated
itself skillfully, some might say brilliantly, into the heart of
the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, and is influencing,
some would say dictating, American foreign policy. The term we
most commonly hear to describe this mechanism, is Zionism.
It's a complex, geopolitical machine, of course, that has a
multiplicity of facets. There are Jewish Zionists, there are
Christian Zionists, and there are agnostic, and even, I would
assume, atheist Zionists. The whole issue, I think, was brought
forward recently, with this U.S. Airforce report -- I'm not sure
if you've seen it yet -- it's featured at the top of my home
page. It's a top level document, a very lengthy report, on the
history of Israel's nuclear weapons program, and it states -- and
this is U.S. Airforce terminology now -- clearly and
unequivocally, that Israeli thermonuclear muscle has been, and
continues to be, a serious lever used to control American policy.
Some call that blackmail. Some call it influence, but whatever
you call it, it is not a healthy situation among alleged friends.
How do you see this?

LAROUCHE: Well, that statement is fair. What the problem is, it
goes deeper, however.
The problem did not come from Israel. The problem came from
a bunch of wise guys, who thought that they could use Israel to
play that part. Now, you saw that, in part, when Eisenhower
intervened in the 1950s, to rebuke the British and French, who
had, with Israel, conspired to pull off this attack on Egypt. But
later on -- that was done under the Labor government, in Israel.
But later on, Israel was taken over largely by an explicitly
fascist regime, that is, the Likud, which was founded by the
famous fascist, Vladimir Zev Jabotinsky, and Sharon, and
Netanyahu, and similar people, reflect that.

RENSE: Instant wise guys.

LAROUCHE: Well, wise guys, literally. In the United States, what
does that mean? That means the crowd, in Canada and the United
States, who are notorious as being the guys who moved from,
during the period of World War I to the present, from rackets, to
riches, to so-called respectability. The so-called Billionaires
Club, names like Bronfman, names like Lansky, or his crowd, such
as Michael Steinhardt. And internationally today, Marc Rich, the
big Russian mafia boss, who is actually the influence which
operated behind Al Gore, and which also operates through Cheney,
through Lewis Libby, Cheney's key advisor, and also financially,
through Marc Rich's relationship to the Halliburton Corporation,
and things like that.
So, what you have is, you have an international cabal, in
which the forces behind Cheney, are more typical than the
Israelis. But you also have a fascist gang, in Israel, the
followers of Jabotinsky, typified by Sharon, or Netanyahu, or
Shamir earlier. These guys are real thugs. They are {used} by,
and {financed} by a New York-centered crowd, of names such as
Bronfman, names such as the Lansky -- big names of Lansky,
Lauder, and so forth. They are actually the funders of Israel and
the present policy. They have also influence inside the United
States, in the financial community, largely as a result of a
breakdown of industry, and the takeover by financial speculators.
And they're a part of it.

RENSE: ... left the door wide open, didn't it?

LAROUCHE: That's right. So, during this period .. What happened,
though, that Israel is not the cause of the problem. Israel has
become an instrument of the problem, and its nuclear power is an
important instrument of the problem.

RENSE: So these wise guys, are at the control of a lot of nuclear
warheads...

LAROUCHE: Not quite, next to it. Next to control. They are again
a front. Israel itself is like a hand grenade. It's being thrown
at the Islamic world. Now, when a hand grenade hits its target,
it does not survive. [break in audio]

RENSE: Many Jews write to me, good friends, some are columnists
and so forth, they're enraged at what has happened to Israel.

LAROUCHE: Absolutely, and so am I. But the key thing here, is,
who's behind it? It's actually an old guy by the name of Bertrand
Russell, now long dead.

RENSE: Oh, yeah.

LAROUCHE: Bertrand Russell was the key figure, together with H.G.
Wells, in forming an Anglo-American faction, which became known
as the Utopians. Their policy was to use the terror of nuclear
weapons, to induce governments to give up their sovereignty, for
the sake of the kind of world government, for which Wells and
Russell were committed.
That faction became very important in the formation of the
Air Force, as an organization, in the United States. The Rand
Corporation gang. These guys are the hard core of the nuclear
fanatics, who are carrying out Russell's policy today. They have
used, taken over and used, the role of gangsters, names such as
Bronfman.
For example, McCain is, McCain's money, family money, comes
through a Bronfman conduit, into Arizona. And Joe Lieberman is
totally a rightwing fanatic, controlled by gangster money,
including the Cuban, tailend of Florida there, the Cuban
rightwingers. And also tied to Michael Steinhardt, and tied to
crazies like the Buckley family.
So, these are the guys. This is the kind of structure, of
fanatics who've had minority, but have occupied key positions in
the nuclear warfare section of our intelligence establishment,
and from there, they are {using} things like the gangster
tradition, of Bronfman, and Lansky, and so forth, with Israel,
and Israel's weapons, as a key factor in trying to bring the
world to its knees, around this idea of a Clash of Civilizations
war against Islam.
That's where we're stuck. Once we know that, and understood
that, and understand what the Democratic National Commitee is, in
terms of the control of that, through the Democratic Leadership
Council, which is actually controlled by gangster influences --
these are my enemies inside the Democratic Party, they are
gangsters.

RENSE: There's the real coup d'etat.

LAROUCHE: That's right. Well, also in the Republican Party, But
it's in the Administration. It's in the Democratic Party. Al Gore
would have gone to war, quicker than George Bush. Because he's a
part of this operation, on the inside.

RENSE: It's so important to keep this mind, all of you listening.
That according to many people, including my guest, Lyndon
LaRouche, Israel was highjacked. It was coopted, taken over long
ago, and is being misused and abused, by people who do not have
our best interests at heart.

LAROUCHE: Yes, that's exactly what is happening. People get so
sucked into the facts about the Israeli involvement, that they
don't look behind that, to say, who is really the puppet master,
and who is the puppet?

RENSE: The issue of nuclear weapons, in the hands, or next to the
hands, of these people, and that Air Force report, which spells
out clearly that Israeli nuclear, thermonuclear muscle, has been
used to dictate control, influence, and otherwise impinge upon
American free will and foreign policy, is a very, very serious
issue.

LAROUCHE: This is something that's being exposed now. We're
exposing it, on the basis of this mini-nuclear weapons policy.
Now, remember, these things came, for those who think that
somehow Sept. 11 was the genesis of these developments, it was
not. These policies were launched by Secretary of Defense Cheney,
during the first Bush Administration. These policies on nuclear
weapons, mini-nukes, first use of nuclear weapons, and so forth,
were developed by Cheney. The present policy of Israel, the
present policy toward the Middle East, was developed by {Cheney},
during his term, the latter years of his term, as Defense
Secretary. The whole crowd in the Administration, which is
pushing this, are Cheney's crowd. So this is the genesis of this
thing, and when we recognize that, then we become decoupled from
brainwashing.

RENSE: Very important. Lyndon, thank you for being here tonight.
I wish you every success, in spreading the truth, and your
information, not only here, but around the world. Thank you very
much.

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violence and fraud (english)
06 Mar 2003
For the bizarre history of Lyndo Larouche and his movement, see
http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclcmain.html
publiceye is a FBI/ADL front (english)
06 Mar 2003
Chip Berlet and Dennis King and "public eye" -
is a notorious FBI/ADL front.
They All Suck (english)
07 Mar 2003
All one needs to do to cut through these front-groups' BS is examine "our" montary system and our so-called "elections".

http://egroups.com/group/jpchance/links/Elections_000993420693

Since "money" and "elections" are controlled by private transnational corporations, how can "our" government be considered remotely "democratic"?

Any individual or group who denies these facts is either a naive fool or a manipulative shyster.

A way to transform the dysfunctional political-financial system:

http://egroups.com/group/Time-Energy-Accounting

Coming soon to local treasuries everywhere!
See also:
egroups.com/group/JPChance