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JUST A NOTICE OF RIGHT-WING POST FLOODING BEHIND THIS. (english)
16 Mar 2003
Modified: 17 Mar 2003
There are 10 'Stories' (the right wind hackers put several clickable 'stories' within the first visible newswire story) Prior this NOTICE post of mine >Starting with "Kurds Flee...etc" that are merely Right Wing Flooding posts for the purpose of Disrupting this site. I have the democratic SOLUTION to dealing with these thought-impaired morons in the short text of my notice - it's suggestion to let them talk among themselves.
This Fascist-right wing FLOODING of a leftwing progressive Volunteer News service - Should be Contained. After all not even One Left wing caller can get in on all the Right wing talkshows.

And this is a Volunteer Run site - only one of its kind. SO:::


PUT THESE RIGHTWING CHAUVINISTIC PICTURE GUYS - THESE SHALLOW WAR-DROOLING TROGLODYTES, ON A ***RIGHT WING**** PAGE MADE HERE ESPECIALLY FOR THEM ON INDYMEDIA.

AND LET ANY FOOL WHO WANTS TO SEE THEM - CLICK ON THE **RIGHTWING PAGE** - ALL STUPIDITY IN THE SAME SPOT IS A GOOD IDEA.
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Your Rantings and Raves (english)
16 Mar 2003
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You have a real contempt for working class/poor folks
don'tcha?

Do you know how FOOLISH your post are? Childish?
I could be mistaking.. it wouldn't be you don't want
to loose your stature, your "position" ( held in you
mind if no where else ) among your peers? if people read
both sides of the coin. We hear ALL about American
Bad Boys ( hey, do you know your family history/lineage? )
were thy part of the people who tried to exterminate my
race here in america -- and then write about it as if
Indians were the bad guys?

Like my brother said, I don't play on the I'm indian your
( what ever ).. I am a warrior and we lost what we had to
better warriors not whiners and whimps.

Are you afraid to look at the dead kurd Mom and Child ..
what if you had to see the whole picture -- see all 5000
( mainly women and children ) killed by a madman? Would
it even bother you? probably NOT.. you have an agenda..
that is to do in the one place in the world all can
exercise a freedom to do many things ( not whine when some
restrictions are imposed to protect the masses from the
few who will kill any one..unless they are islamic ).
including what you are doing here.

I for one who has been many places done many things..
appreciate this collectives open forum.. and even
though there are a few whiners like you who pass through on occasion ( I read both sides of the coin ) most articles
posted are to the point around an issue..

If one doesn't agree, they can use their mind and POST
a reply -- not try an enforce a closed policy that does
not appear to exits to date.

Where were you when I march in S Boston against Louise Day Hicks agaist racism and got my head split open by a punk
on the street who blind sided me?

( among many other things )

I am a Warrior - but I am not a blind warrior and will not
close my eyes to both sides of the coin because some wannabe
stalinist, trostyike ( what ever ) et al, orders me too.

PS: Pardon my spelling my mommy and daddy wern't rich and I
only have a GED.. does that slump my credibility or what?

Get a life.
Whatever... (english)
16 Mar 2003
Why give the rightwingers a page at all? Fuck 'em. They have their own webpages and political subcultures. Why is it so difficult for Indymedia to take a principled stand and establish some editorial standards that rejects right wing trash? Y'know, something basic like "no racist, homophobic, sexist, nationalist, anti-environmental, pro-war, etc." posts accepted.

It is pretty pathetic if the liberal sensibilities run so deep among the editorial group that you can't even take this simple step to save this website from becoming a rightwing mouthpiece.
Another child of HATE (english)
16 Mar 2003
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I see another child of "hate" all, less it falls within
what me, myself and I can see has made the trip. You are
the root of sexism, racism, homophobea or what ever other
brand/tag/title you choose to add to your diatribe.

It used to be chanted:
"Power to the Working Class",

but middle class hombre's with a self image second to
none who couldn't talk to a working class d00d without
a fight have set back the good brought about by the 60's/70's have dubbed it:

Kick the workers in the ass
Power to the middle class.

with a few fuck you's to let the world know your schooling
paid off and that YOU MEAN BUSINESS!

If you listen to the majority of workers you would probably
hear, sometimes between the lines,
Power to the People of all classes who are not out to screw
any one. They see you for who you are and unfortunately
individuals like you mirror a false image of those who
are truely on the line for others, the good of the whole
not the few who hide behind front groops and rhetoric..

Where for let me close with a mirror of your words..

Hey, have a good fuck you day bubba cause in the end you
will be exposed and F--ked not by any "(what ever) wings
by your peers.
Yet..Another child of HATE (english)
16 Mar 2003
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I see another child of "hate" all, less it falls within
what me, myself and I can see has made the trip. You are
the root of sexism, racism, homophobea or what ever other
brand/tag/title you choose to add to your diatribe.

It used to be chanted:
"Power to the Working Class",

but middle class hombre's with a self image second to
none who couldn't talk to a working class d00d without
a fight have set back the good brought about by the 60's/70's have dubbed it:

Kick the workers in the ass
Power to the middle class.

with a few fuck you's to let the world know your schooling
paid off and that YOU MEAN BUSINESS!

If you listen to the majority of workers you would probably
hear, sometimes between the lines,
Power to the People of all classes who are not out to screw
any one. They see you for who you are and unfortunately
individuals like you mirror a false image of those who
are truely on the line for others, the good of the whole
not the few who hide behind front groops and rhetoric..

Where for let me close with a mirror of your words..

Hey, have a good fuck you day bubba cause in the end you
will be exposed and F--ked not by any "(what ever) wings
by your peers.
Indymedia "Left Wing"? (english)
16 Mar 2003
I'm an anarchist from the Boston area and I know people who work on the Boston Indymedia server. I cant say that any could be described as "left wing" in general since "left wing" usualy means authoritarian or reformist political parties and groups.

I think the general character of Indymedia is and should be anarchist, left-libertarian, and supporting direct-democracy, anti-racism, and opposing capitalism. It should not promote ideas that lead to a system that is worse than the ne we have now. Anarchism and direct democracy means the promise of a more meaningful life where work has value and the full value and wealth of a persons labor goes back to the person who does ther work, rather than being stolen from them by bosses, landlords, etc.

If you watch movies like "Bowling for Columbine" you can see that there is a radical, progressive mentality that is not anti-gun, not anti-working class (and certainly not pro-middle class), but is very much opposed to corporations, globalization, bosses, etc.

I do think that Indymedia sites have a right to define the general content and thrust of what appears on the sites. It's very easy to say "you have to allow anyone to post anything they want" and then people have to sit back helplessly and watch conservatives and reactionaries insult the people who support these services, call them "Reds", "Communists", "anti-American", and threaten and scare them and tell them that nothing can and ever will change, their ideas are invalid, and they will be rightiously destroyed if they try to open their mouths or offer alternatives to the way things are.

It's a very old tactic for rightwingers who assume that anyoen who speaks out against capitalism is an authoritarian statist communist and they have no right to be heard and they can be walked all over pittilessly.

Trust me.. if you want to see "left wing" ideas, go to the web sites of the Communist Party, RCP, MIM, etc. They are out there. Indymedia wasnt created for them... it was for something else.

Also, the conservatives have their own web sites, their own news sites. Why do they need to come here and spread crap and lies and scare-stories? Anyone who wants to see their stuff can go to their own sites. Those sites will always be around and nobody is goign to take that away. All I'm saing is that Indymedia radicals derserve a safe space to hve their say.
Playing the Gam (english)
17 Mar 2003

You said:
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I'm an anarchist from the Boston area and I know people who work on the Boston Indymedia server.
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Glad you found your nitch where you can be with people you
agree with, knowing Bostom Indy Media folks doesn't impress
this old warrior. If I started posted those I personally knew and worked with would it impress you?

You said:
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I cant say that any could be described as "left wing" in general since "left wing" usualy means authoritarian or reformist political parties and groups.
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Hmmm where did this come from. I don't believe I labeled them as a collective "any thing" but a collective.

Labels in the end will maintain division, unfortunately
we are a vast society accusomed to "labels" to help us
cope with what we should like or fear. A way to keep
division in society and by some a way to use those divisions
to control. PsyOps in it's finest hour.

You said:
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I think the general character of Indymedia is and should be anarchist, left-libertarian, and supporting direct-democracy, anti-racism, and opposing capitalism.
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Why? Would that help you cope? I don't care what their
political persuasion is.. I have said to others who are
prone to "exclude" evident by their posts, that, the open
forum where one can read both sides of the coin is probably
one of the most impresioanble, and helps break down a wall.

You want to divide? Work on the basis of exclusion and
labels. I don't care what you call yourself, as long as
you state your piece on your belief, no matter how unfounded
I may find it. and if you don't agree with ones
analisis, comment logically and move on. Hate breeds hate.
or don't comment and move on. Thats called choice.

In all the years I have been on mother earth I have never
met an anti-racist. At one time I was under the illusion
anti-racists existed, but in later lifes retrospect, and in
my private opinion I find that the "anti-racist" label has
infact created the opposite affect fostering an end result
quite opposite. The average person is not a racist - untill they are TOLD over and over again they are. ( could
write a book on this - and don't plan to here )

So, in fine, tell me what is / who is "racist"? through
the mirror of your young eyes.. you are probably in your
20's?

Capitalism: The root of all evil or so propounded.

Then why do so many make the trip to the USA to become a
part of this evil, those from all walks of life who had
nothing? Where our slums are like Hilton Hotels to many
from other country's who are given what they need to help
get them on their feet, stay medically well until they
can earn an income or begin a business.

Is this somthing you differ with?

You said:
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Anarchism and direct democracy means the promise of a more meaningful life where work has value and the full value and wealth of a persons labor goes back to the person who does ther work, rather than being stolen from them by bosses, landlords, etc
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You know I have to grin... really grin here. Nothing has
changed in the attack routines to create bad guys/good guy's
scenario's. Same lines as the 60's/70's leads to the same
end results, no where. Oh yes, Tennant Unions were born,
and middle class kids went into the work force to tell the guy who was doing his job that he was being screwed, he
just didn't know it. 30 hours work for 40 hours pay,
hay! ... You know where a lot of the old timers went..
they are the landlords of today... I could name names
in the Boston, Cambrige, Sommerville area.. why should
I? would it impress you?

You said:
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If you watch movies like "Bowling for Columbine" you can see that there is a radical, progressive mentality that is not anti-gun, not anti-working class (and certainly not pro-middle class), but is very much opposed to corporations, globalization, bosses, etc.
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I don't watch movies.. you want to be brainwashed thats your
business. To many lives have been ruined based on "movies"
as some can't seperate reality from props and fiction.

Again I have to grin.. Corporations are what YOU make them.
Form a corp.. you lead it where you choose. Another
blanket condemnation that builds walls of seperation.

same, same on the rest.

You Said:
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and then people have to sit back helplessly and watch conservatives and reactionaries insult the people who support these services, call them "Reds", "Communists", "anti-American", and threaten and scare them and tell them that nothing can and ever will change
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1. Your not helpless. 2. Reading the "labels" posts
should be considered educational endeavors. An investigation into how others who have opions that are just according to them feel. Do you think they are just rattling
off ( though I know some do - but you can tell who ) to
get your goat? Empathize a bit. Maybe you will see that
there are wall that can come down on both sides of the
coin. I just read on this site about a group of Iraqs
who went to the French and asked, please help remove a
madman who keeps killing us? Is that ignorant babbling?
Then I saw pictures of the dead who were killed and the
story behind it. Why hasn't the "labels" ( left,
anarchists, what ever ) help theIraq people with demonstrations for Iraq to disarm? Don't you think that would have had
an impact of Sodam where he may have done what you ask
and a war would have been avoided?

Rather than go on and on and on.. answering your post..
where you send me to view left ideas.. etc..

No you trust me. I know you feel you have discovered The Way... and you want to see constructive change occur. Along
that road you have to face constructive criticism..
When you are closed to any thing but "one way" you become
isolated. Too often people who have invested their hearts
do not want to believe there is another side to the coin.

If I can rewrite a few words of a once pop song.. I'd
sing:

"I've looked at life from boths side now, from win and
loose and still somehow its "lifes" illusions I recall,
I really don't know "life" at all."

Thanks for your comment.