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PAINT THE STREETS WHITE ! NO WAR IN IRAQ! (english)
18 Mar 2003
Modified: 08:27:15 PM
PAINT ANTI-WAR GRAF. ON THE STREETS !
PAINT THE STREETS WHITE WITH OUR VOICES! STOP THE WAR
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Concerned.. about WHO? (english)
18 Mar 2003
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Concerned about who?

I hope a line painter coms rolling down the stret and paints a big yellow one right down your back. You want
to do GRAFFITI - go to it.. but don't pull into your
plans kids who could get arrested and thus a record
ruining thier lives later on.. caus you have no
guts to do it on your own.


The only thing I ask thse kids to consider as they march
for what they believe, is they seprate the working class
kids on the front lines, (aka troops ) from the rest and
cary signs that show thier support.. I might also add then
thy might see a genration come out of the wood work and
march with them.

Vets ar SCREWED every day... from WWII, Korea, VN, GW
by the VA/Gov. ...
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS (english)
18 Mar 2003
I AM ALL FOR TAKING OUT SADDAM (COMPLETELY) AND TURNING BAGDAD INTO A MCDONALDS PARKING
LOT BUT HERE WE GO AGAIN, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE GRUNTS WHO COME BACK SCREWED UP
PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY? THE CONGRESS AND SENATE WILL DO THE SAME THING TO THEM AS THEY
DID TO ALL VETERANS OF ALL WARS....FORGET THEM AND LET THE VA HANDLE THEM. OH, OK, AND WHAT
DO WE CALL THIS NEXT SICKNESS THAT EFFECTS TROOPS IN THIS WAR
GULF WAR SYNDROME 2 ? NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER GENERATION PLEADING FOR HELP FROM THE VA AND
THEM GETTING THE FUCKING RUN AROUND. B U L L S H I T!!!!

IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME FOR THE VA TO BE CALLED ON THE CARPET IN A CONGRESSIONAL
INVESTIGATION FOR THEIR MALPRACTICE AND OVERALL INEPT SYSTEM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE
(ADMININSTRATIVE AND MEDICAL) THIS IS IT.
RIGHT AFTER THIS WAR IS OVER AND DONE AND THESE GUYS BECOME ILL BECAUSE THAT FUCKING SAND
MAGGOT UNLOADED SOME GAS ON THEM OR BIO THEY WILL GO THRU THE SAME CRAP WE HAVE WITH
AGENT ORANGE AND THE GULF VETS WITH THE SYNDROME WITH THE VA, CONGRESS AND SENATE AGAIN.
HERE IS WHERE I DRAW THE LINE AND THIS IS WHERE BUSH SHOULD REALLY PUT THE FIRE UNDER
PRINCIPI ASS TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THIS VA AND GET ALL VETS FROM ALL WARS SQUARED AWAY....ONCE
AND FOR ALL. THIS WOULD BE A BIG FEATHER IN BUSHS CAP AND PROBABLY WILL GET HIM RE
ELECTED.........THINK ABOUT IT...
Info Needed (english)
18 Mar 2003
As a member of the TLCB (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia Brotherhood), we have been engulfed in a very interesting conversation, and fact finding mission. That being
of: "Was Agent Orange indeed used and/or stored in either Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, or any other nation other than Viet Nam?"


Members have been discussing their medical conditions (primarily that of "diabetes", and its association to Agent Orange, when they were stationed in Thailand. We
know the Ho Chi Minh Trail was sprayed with AO in Laos, and supposedly, these missions were flown out of Udorn RTAFB, and Tahkli RTAFB, Thailand.


We have been looking for susbstantial evidence to prove these points, because as of now, the government is not admitting to any use outside of Viet Nam. But what
came up in discussion, too, was the indirect results of AO, such as, what and how were the depleted 55 gallon drums being utilized? As many know, anything that
can be "recylced" and salvagable, will be. Case in point, the numerous drums used for outdoor barbecue cooking, in all of the nations of SEA. And, how these drums
were used for storage of non-potable water, ie, for showers and other cleaning functions.


It took the government a long time to admit to the Agent Orange controversy, and as Veterans of that conflict, we indeed would like to know the entire truth of the
claims of usage outside of Viet Nam.


If you have any knowledge and/or links to Agent Orange and Thailand, your help would be greatly appreciated.


In Brotherhood,


Dennis R. Browne
Dan Coble (english)
18 Mar 2003
Hi Everyone...

Back in 1978-79 at Langley AFB, we had a serious bird-strike threat form
the thousnads of seagulls that gathered on the taxi-ways and in the
grassy areas around and all along the runways.

One solution was the use of a shotgun fired Bang shell that scared them
off, another method was to defoiliate the areas closest to the runways,
as mowing alone didn't make a difference.

My crew, being the main airfield maintenance crew at Langley was tasked
to spray these areas with an unidentified chemical defoliant which was
delivered to us in 55 gallon drums marked only with stenciled numbers,
the title "herbicide" and a prominent skull and cross bones.

Langley being a small, seriously budget-conscious base would not supply
us with anything else but hand-held pump-type sprayers, the kind you
would spray for bugs with, to accomplish the task.

Transfer of the chemical from the drum to the sprayers was accomplished
by screwing a simple tap into the top of the drum, turning the drum on
it's side and dispensing the chemical into a bucket from which it was
sloppily poured into the sprayer, leaving the sprayer covered with
chemical.

We then took our sprayers and walked the runways spraying the grassy
areas back to about 40 or 50 feet from the runway.

Being a "DUMB" 18-19 year old airman, I didn't know that the
yellowish-orange chemical was Agent Orange until many years later,
neither did I know that the other chemical we used was Agent
White....and I certainly didn't know the significance of what I was
exposing myself to, and the USAF surely didn't help.

I would come home at the end of a 12 hour day of spraying with the
outside of my uniform pant-legs soaked completely, at the outer thigh,
where the heavy sprayer made contact as it was carried along all day.

By 1981 all of the hair on my upper thigh was gone, as well as on the
front of my shins, from walking through the freshly sprayed grass and
weeds.

In 1998-1999 I came in contact with several AO Vets and the symptoms
they talked about were similar to mine in addition to all of the
problems I was having and later came to know as PTSD.

Last year, a strange bright red spot came up on the inside of my left
upper thigh and quickly grew and began to look like a blood blister...On
occasion this growth became sore and the perimeter became red and
slightly inflamed...recently this growth developed a scab-like surface
and seemed to peel and shed the top layer of skin or material.

Yesterday, I persuaded my primary care Doctor at the Port Charlotte VA
Clinic to remove it and send it for examination.

She tells me she thinks it is just a kind of mole, and probably not
malignant.... also in the last year, I have had a couple of odd blue
knots come up deep below the skin and are slowly rising to the surface.

Recently, I have begun having leg problems too....If I stand too long or
walk too long, my knees become extremely inflamed, and my legs swell
quite a bit..This is different from the usual pain I have from my back
problems, pain I have lived with for 20 years, so I can tell when there
is the slightest difference

My older brother, a Vietnam Vet, was heavily exposed to AO, has
chloracne and has battled fistulas and has had a lot of odd things grow
and fall off, but he hasn't seen anything like these things.......

Have any of you experienced these kinds of things?

I don't know if I have anything to worry about, but I CAN tell you
THIS...the VA WILL NOT acknowledge the possibility of my exposure to AO,
even though it is acknowledged that it was widely used until the early
80's, just not sprayed in the same fashion as it was in Nam.......I have
a feeling that if I am indeed experiencing the effects of exposure 20
years ago, that the VA will leave me out in the cold, Just as they tell
me that I "Can not POSSIBLY have PTSD, Because I was not in combat"

Can any of you shed any light on this and maybe even suggest a course of
action with the VA to have difinitive testing done?...Is there any
testing that will positively affirm or rule AO out?

All My Best To Everyone!

Dan.
Demonstrations/ Marches (english)
18 Mar 2003
There was a march after WW1 in which both later Generals Omar Brady and George Patton were involved, but not as protesters
but as Military Police.

There were no changes then in Vets Benefits, after WW2 The VA was started with Omar Bradley as 1st Dir. very little changes or
improvements, Then in early 50's the infamous Ferres Docturn became law which made it next to imposable to hold the
Government, Military Dr.'s and Hospitals as well as VA Dr.'s and Hospitals responsible for any misdiagnosis's and
Mal-practice.....

The Atomic War Vets have had many problems, they are all mostly dead.....Vietnam vets have their own with Agent Orange, as
the Gulf War Vets have their problems with Gulf War Syndrome.

The matter is a Public one or should I say National disgrace, which has been allowed to fester and grow by the inactivity
and slowness of Congress, the same house that passed the Ferres Docturn although not the same people, but, with the same
attitude...

Think, about the number of Vets who have served as Congressmen an yet nothing has change......Oh yes !! they always throw
money at the problem, but

it is never enough and
never where it is needed,
they don't have what you need, and always have plenty of what you don't need.

A march you say will call attention to the Veterans Plight, not much with the Controlled News Media, Printed, Radio, and TV.

No one knows what the 1st President said concerning Veterans:

The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional
to how they perceive veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by our nation." George Washington
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When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen." George Washington
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I believe it was Lincoln that had said to take care of those who bore the Battles. I do not have the direct quote......
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There is press-a-dent going back to the Revolutionary War to take care of or otherwise aid Veterans, most particularly the
Combat wounded.....I realize that there are many wantabee combat'n as our pass vice-president ( who only hear combat noises
from a pre-recorded tape). Yes, vets that know how to Milk the System and play the games of the VA.....

To be able to expose this would be a real plus for Real Veterans, but, "Real Vets and Patriots Love their Country but,
Fear their Government....."
for they have been there and done that looked War and Death right in the eye and lived.

They saw 1st hand man's inhumanity to man, the unjustification of War and death and when they return home are hit right
square in the face with similar inhumanities and unjustifications, this time it is being done to them and by their own Government
in the form of Military and VA Hospitals and Doctors and General VA so called Benies......

There is another large group of vets who receive a # 1 screwing at the hands of the VA and Military and they are retirees, who
are forced to pay for their own Disability, by dollar for dollar trade-off taken from their retirement to offset are pay their own
claims........This one other thing that Congress Controls, the same Congress that justifies it own pay raises (for doing absolutely
nothing), but can not justify a Veteran of any kind or type, gets proper treatment.....

So remember the Quotes that I have included in this e-mail......I will see most of you in DC in Nov....
Death Before Dishonor and Semper Fi....

Raymond "Mike" Clausen_MOH_31 Jan.'70"
Ponchatoula, La. 70454

"The Evils of Tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." John Hay
SAEPE EXPERTUS, SEMPER FIDELIS, FRATRES AETERNI
("Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever")


The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional
to how they perceive veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by our nation." George Washington
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When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen." George Washington
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the anthrax vaccine (english)
18 Mar 2003
Dear Concerned Military Members, Families and Friends:

Several new developments concerning the anthrax vaccine have surfaced as the Defense Department considers relaunching the mass mandatory anthrax vaccination
program.

First development -- a new study of 900 Gulf War Veterans by Kansas State University found a correlation between a decline in long-term health and the anthrax vaccine.
The DoD has always maintained they have no data, and therefore they cannot determine if a causal connection exists with the unexplained maladies attributed to "Gulf
War Illness" (GWI). The primary author of this newly published study is an Army Reserve Colonel Brigade Commander. The British, Canadians, and the Kansas VA have
come to similar conclusions. (study excerpts follow)

Second development -- former Canadian Air Force Sergeant Mike Kipling's case for refusing the anthrax vaccine was finally dropped, because the top Canadian Military
Judge, Col. Brais, deemed the vaccine was "unsafe and hazardous." He added that the government "could never be justified to impose inoculation of soldiers with unsafe
and dangerous vaccines." Last month the Canadian military additionally dropped their appeal to recharge Mr. Kipling with no explanation. (stories follow)

Continued investigations and oversight similar to the Canadian, British and state level investigations of the anthrax vaccine are required.

Respectfully,

Major Thomas L. "Buzz" Rempfer

More info available on line: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/cc/rempfer.html

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New study of 900 Ohio Gulf War vets finds anthrax vaccine associated with health decline - PDF file available upon request.

Findings from the study:

-- "Those veterans who received anthrax vaccine reported more reactions to vaccines than those who did not receive anthrax vaccine." (cover page)

-- "Declines in long-term subjective health were associated with receipt of anthrax vaccine by Gulf War veterans but not for those who did not deploy to the Gulf, although
few of the latter received anthrax vaccine." (cover page)

-- "It is recommended that servicemembers who experience severe reactions to anthrax vaccine be medically reevaluated before receiving further anthrax vaccine and that
careful followups be conducted of those receiving the vaccine currently, in accordance with Nass' 1999 recommendations." (page 640)

-- "While the US military maintains that "There have been no long-term side effects from the vaccine" (footnote, p. 8), our research and Unwin [British], et al's (footnote 36)
suggest to the contrary that anthrax vaccination might have direct and indirect long-term side effects on health, most notably for those individuals who have the most severe
reactions to the vaccinations initially." (page 651)

-- '"Armed with such research today and pending better information on the long-term safety of the anthrax vaccine, we cannot but recommend that extreme caution be used
with respect to the severe punishment of those servicemembers who have reservations about the safety of the anthrax vaccination for their long-term health." (page 651)

Study just published in Psychological Reports, 2002, 90, pp. 639-653 -- For a copy of this study, please contact: email: Schumm (at) humec.ksu.edu

Dr. W. R. Schumm
School of Family Studies and Human Services
Justin Hall
Kansas State University
1700 Anderson Ave
Manhattan, KS 66506-1403

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Canadian article:
Charter threatens military: analysts

Allowing soldier to refuse anthrax vaccine sets alarming precedent, former commanders argue, Rick Mofina, The Ottawa Citizen

The Canadian Press / Mike Kipling, a former air force sergeant, celebrates with his wife, Francine Kipling, in Winnipeg yesterday after a judge ruled the airman, who
refused to take the anthrax vaccine, doesn't have to face a court martial.

A military judge's decision to halt the court martial of an ex-soldier who refused an anthrax vaccine during duty in the Persian Gulf will have profound implications for
Canada's Armed Forces, former commanders say.

Some fear it moves dangerously close to allowing troops to refuse orders based on their view of their rights, and could consequently harm operations.

The lawyer for the soldier in the case said the impact of recognizing an individual soldier's rights could reach beyond Canada to the militaries of other democratic nations.

For his part, Mike Kipling, the retired air force sergeant who stood in the crosshairs of the controversy, was overcome by yesterday's ruling.

"I felt such a mixture of relief, emotion and vindication. I had tears in my eyes," Mr. Kipling, 45, said in an interview from Winnipeg.

His words came shortly after Col. Guy Brais ruled Mr. Kipling will not face a court martial for refusing to take the vaccine in 1998 while posted to Kuwait during post-Gulf
War tensions with Iraq.

Col. Brais said the vaccine was "unsafe and hazardous" after hearing the evidence on the U.S.-made batch supplied to Canadian Forces. He added that the government
"could never be justified to impose inoculation of soldiers with unsafe and dangerous vaccines."

He said Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the right "to security of the person," protects Canadian soldiers from being forced to take an
unsafe vaccine.

Col. Brais' decision leaves the Defence Department to grapple with a minefield of ramifications, according to experts.

"There's no doubt that this type of development is of concern because you are getting close to ... where soldiers are going to question orders based on their interpretation
of their rights," said retired colonel Sean Henry, an analyst with the Conference of Defence Associations.

"When you're in the professional military your rights are put through a screen," said Col. Henry, who called for some exclusion for the military within the charter.

Unless such an adjustment is made, "you are going to get to the stage where you are going to seriously question the ability of the Forces to get on with their job," he said.
"Because if you can question an order based on the Charter of Rights, then you are in real trouble."

Jay Prober, Mr. Kipling's lawyer, disagreed.

"The ruling is not about a battle order," he said. "The difference here is about you having the right to control what is injected into your system." ...

"The court martial decision will be reviewed and consideration given to whether an appeal should be filed or whether other action should be taken," said spokesman Capt.
Brian Martin.

He said the director of military prosecution has 30 days to deliver a notice of appeal. Any appeal would be heard in another military court.

"Pending the outcome of any appeal, and the final determination of this case, it would be inappropriate to comment on any aspect of the case," Capt. Martin said
yesterday.

Mr. Kipling said he believed he was right to take a stand and would not hesitate to do it again.

"For now, I want to get back to normal," he said. "On Monday, I'll start looking for a job."

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Canadian Military Drops Anthrax Vaccine Case

Reuters News Agency
Winnipeg — The controversial court martial case of a former Canadian soldier who refused to take an anthrax vaccine ended Thursday after the military decided to drop
the proceedings.

"The director of military prosecutions determined that it was not in the public interest or the Canadian Forces interest to proceed," said Captain Bruce MacGregor, a
spokesman for the Department of National Defence.

Mike Kipling, a former sergeant, was charged by the Canadian Armed Forces in 1998 with failing to obey an order after he refused to be inoculated with the anthrax
vaccine.

Sgt. Kipling had been about the embark for a mission near the borders of Iraq, where stockpiles of the potentially lethal bacteria had been found.

Sgt. Kipling, a 26-year veteran, said he was concerned about the long-term side effects of the vaccine, which was not licensed for use in Canada. Sgt. Kipling said previous
shots had made him feel ill.

The Department of National Defence tried to court martial Sgt. Kipling in 2000, even after he became a civilian.

Canada's top military magistrate quashed those proceedings, accepting Sgt. Kipling's argument that his human rights had been violated.

The military appealed that decision, and in January of this year, won the right from a civilian court to retry the 47-year-old former flight engineer.

Captain MacGregor said Thursday's decision to not proceed came after reviewing the evidence to determine whether it supported a reasonable prospect of conviction and
was in the public interest to continue.

The military's policy on public interest includes looking at the age of the charge, how frequently it crops up among members and its impact on discipline.

"I guess the reason they didn't go to trial was that they were scared of losing," Sgt. Kipling told Reuters from his home in Winnipeg. "I'll consider this a victory."

Hundreds of U.S. soldiers who served in the Persian Gulf in the 1990s have reported getting sick with symptoms of the mysterious Gulf War Syndrome. Many blame
anthrax vaccine.

The U.S. Defense Department has charged about 350 military personnel who rejected the series of shots with refusing to obey an order.

The military tribunal in Winnipeg heard that some batches of the anthrax vaccine, manufactured at a U.S. plant and given to Canadian troops, were nine years old, unsterile
and incorrectly labeled. Canadian military lawyers said there was no scientific proof the vaccine was unsafe.

Sgt. Kipling's lawyer said that even though the case is now closed, it could still have far-reaching implications.

"I don't think now that any member will be forced to take a vaccine. I don't think they've done it since Mike Kipling and I don't think they'll ever do it again as a result of this
case," said Jay Prober, Sgt. Kipling's lawyer.

A statement by the Department of National Defence Thursday said it remained prepared to order mandatory vaccinations when required by operational circumstances.
Re: PAINT THE STREETS WHITE ! NO WAR IN IRAQ! (english)
18 Oct 2004
DEAR DAN AND DENNIS, WOULD YOU PLEASE CONTACT ME, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE ORGANIZING TO TAKE THIS TO CONGRESS. HAVE A WEBSITE YOU CAN GO TO, TO GET ON LIST. MY HUSBAND HAD COLONRECTAL CANCER AND WAS STATIONED IN KORAT, THAILAND. THANKYOU FOR SERVING YOUR COUNTRY AND WELCOME HOME. MARILYN