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Harvard Square Against Apartheid
08 Mar 2009
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/
Harvard Square Against Apartheid (Video and Pics)

Congratulations to those folks who turned out to protest against Arab and Islamic Apartheid and for the State of Israel in Cambridge yesterday. Oh sure, there were some deluded and unfortunate folks who had their regions mixed up. These fascist antisemites were...get this...actually demonstrating on behalf of the Arab Apartheid dictatorships in favor of their war to destroy the region's only liberal state. In public! They couldn't actually have been from Cambridge...Cambridge, MA? Cambridge is a bastion of the liberal left or so I've heard. They'd never do that! Well, maybe it was just a few cast offs from the illiberal left (or is that ill-liberal?). There was much mixing of demonstrators and signage.

Hillel Stavis writes in:

The Islamic Republic of Harvard Square

Ho hum, yet another Israel-hating Harvard Square demonstration. But, compared with the outright anti-Semitic horrors going on in Berkeley, Florida and other places, this one was rather tame. Central casting supplied the usual suspects: Graying Unitarians and Quakers, who've been in the closet for 30 years finally with the opportunity to parade their Jew hatred, the odd Arab student with a bullhorn and red kheffiyeh (gotta be red, the color of revenge) and, of course, the legions of putative Jews sporting signs that invariably begin with "Another Jew who (fill in the rest yourself): Opposes the Occupation, Deplores Israeli Atrocities..." but of course, WE know what they really mean:

"I'm another (born by accident) Jew, who really wants to be a COW (Citizen of the World) and who has nothing to do with other Jews (I spend all my time in UU churches or at the American Friends Service Committee). The only time I identify myself as a Jew occurs when the opportunity arises to criticize Israel. And, of course I am rewarded handsomely with new friends and tasty middle eastern cuisine from the Arab and leftist camps. Arabs especially treasure the vitriol with which I demonize my "fellow Jews." The Soviet Union may have sunk beneath the waves, but I have a new messiah now -- radical Islam -- to replace my need for power and belonging."

Take Eva Moseley, a "Holocaust survivor" (she and all her well-heeled family escaped Vienna in 1939) where, according to her, she never identified herself as Jewish, but now parades her dubious heritage around whenever it's convenient to bash Israel. Aside from celebrating her granddaughter's conversion to Islam (I kid you not), she got caught emailing a comrade boasting of her use of "Holocaust shtick" during anti-Israel protests. We're glad she escaped the Nazi hordes, but we're left to wonder how stricken she would be were the Hamas extermination agenda to take its course.

In spite of the hate-Israel crowd's view of places like Harvard Square as their own private fiefdom, there were plenty of pro-Israel demonstrators with signs depicting -- the unmentionable -- Hamas (none of the anti-Israel protestors ever mention Hamas; they'd rather parade around with staged photos of 6 year old Arabs holding their teddy bears in front of monstrous Jewish tanks). You see, they say, all Palestinians are innocent, Hamas doesn't exist -- except when they grudgingly admit that it won a democratic election (you can snigger now), and 1300 civilians were killed in the recent Gaza action (continue sniggering). And their proof of Jewish perfidy? Just look at the disproportionate numbers of dead! You see, they give Hamas points for inaccuracy! Using their logic, the U.S. should have lost the Battle of the Bulge, Okinawa and Iwo Jima (disproportionately more Germans and Japanese died in those crucial battles).

As for the Big Lie of Apartheid, there was plenty of literature documenting religious, ethnic, and gender apartheid in every Arab and Muslim country -- to the chagrin of the hate Israel crowd. Of course, when presented with the incontrovertible evidence of murdered gays in Iran, butchered Copts in Egypt and the ethnic cleansing of Jews from every Arab country, that crowd pulls the Groucho line:

"Are you going to believe me -- or your lying eyes?"

Glancing down the line of haters, I was reminded of the bar scene from Total Recall: A community of angry mutants confined in a dead end place with dead end ideas.

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There is that of God in everyone
08 Mar 2009
You refer to Unitarians and Quakers as anti-Semites? I guess I should not be surprised at your upside-down view of reality given your denial of the Holocaust Israel has inflicted upon the Palestinians. As your post demonstrates that you hold as unequal the lives of Jews and Palestinians, it is to be expected that you view Unitarians and Quakers, two religious movements that hold all human lives as of equal value, as opposed to your patently racist ideology (i.e. Zionism). The great misdeed, in your view, of Quakers is that they do not place more value on the lives of Jews than they do on the lives of Palestinians. If you understood what Quakerism is all about, you would understand that we place infinite value on the life of each and every human being. If you abhor equality it is because you espouse inequality. Inequality is the basis of apartheid and it is your support of inequality that commits you to apartheid.

Face it, you hate Unitarians and Quakers. It is you who hate, not us.
From Another Quaker
09 Mar 2009
Personally, I don't judge peopel based on their religion. But if you stand with anti-semites, travel with anti-Semites, enable anti-Semitism, then you need to rethink your values.

If you believe that all people are entitled to self-determination EXCEPT the Jewish people, well, then you have a problem.

What scares me is that I see rhetoric throughout the world and even in America, that reminds me of Europe in the 30's. My Jewish friends must be terrified.
Quakers do not turn their backs on the victims of war crimes
09 Mar 2009
Heiress, I doubt strongly that you are a Quaker for if you are a Quaker then you are the first I've encountered that supports the mass murder of civilians. Quakers have a Peace Testimony and your position directly contradicts it.

Then, of course, we find another contradiction. You claim not to judge people based on their religion but then you infer that participants in the protest were anti-Semites. Which protesters were anti-Semites? How do you know?

Next, define for me “anti-Semite.” Do you believe that those who oppose the policies of the Government of Israel must be anti-Semites? You say “if you believe that all people are entitled to self-determination EXCEPT the Jewish people, well then you have a problem [of anti-Semitism].” This comment exposes ignorance on your part. The issue is not self-determination. The issue is WAR CRIMES. Moreover, if the issue were self-determination, then one cannot argue that Israelis have the right to self-determination while Palestinians do not have such a right. “Ah, but there are no Palestinians,” you are likely to argue, as if the people subject to Israel's war crimes do not exist. That act of hubris is the ultimate expression of racism: denying that a people even exist when they are before your very eyes.

Deep down inside your objection is that I do not put the life of an Israeli above the life of a Palestinian. This irks you. If you were a Quaker, it would not irk you, for we all are equal in God's eyes.
Right back at you
09 Mar 2009
Heiress, I doubt strongly that you are a Quaker for if you are a Quaker then you are the first I've encountered that supports the mass murder of civilians.


Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence. I regret the deaths on both sides in this conflict. You on teh other hand have said NOTHing condemningthe thousands of attacks on Israeli civilians. Don't tehy deserve compassion, too?

Quakers have a Peace Testimony and your position directly contradicts it.

How> What have I said taht contradicts it. Point it out. I'm curious.

Then, of course, we find another contradiction. You claim not to judge people based on their religion but then you infer that participants in the protest were anti-Semites. Which protesters were anti-Semites? How do you know?

I saw signs "Jews are terrorists" I saw a sign "Smash the Jewish state". Do you think thats anti-semitic? I do.

Next, define for me “anti-Semite.”

I like natan Sharansky's definition- the 3 D's.
The first "D" is the test of demonization. When the Jewish state is being demonized; when Israel's actions are blown out of all sensible proportion; when comparisons are made between Israelis and Nazis and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz - this is anti- Semitism, not legitimate criticism of Israel.

The second "D" is the test of double standards. When criticism of Israel is applied selectively; when Israel is singled out by the United Nations for human rights abuses while the behavior of known and major abusers, such as China, Iran, Cuba, and Syria, is ignored; when Israel's Magen David Adom, alone among the world's ambulance services, is denied admission to the International Red Cross - this is anti-Semitism.

The third "D" is the test of delegitimization: when Israel's fundamental right to exist is denied - alone among all peoples in the world - this too is anti-Semitism.


Deep down inside your objection is that I do not put the life of an Israeli above the life of a Palestinian. This irks you.

Objection.Assumes facts not in evidence. What have I said that leads you to believe this? That assumption comes from your inherent prejudice
Holding you in the light
09 Mar 2009
Heiress, how do you know that the holder of a sign reading “Jews are terrorists” was not a plant intended to discredit other demonstrators? How does the presence of a few such individuals negate the intentions and motivations of the others who are not anti-semitic? You said in your first post that “if you stand with anti-semites, travel with anti-Semites, enable anti-Semitism, then you need to rethink your values.” I ask you this, if one is protesting and an anti-semite shows up with a sign, should one just give up on the protest and go home? If so, isn't it obvious that such a technique will be used again and again to stop the legitimate protest? Note also that you use the words “travel with anti-Semites” and “enable anti-Semites.” Did you see any Quakers traveling with anti-Semites? Given that many Quakers are Jews, I very much doubt it. How is protesting against the actions of a state which violates international law and commits war crimes an instance of “enabling anti-Semites”? Are you saying that opposing war crimes is anti-Semitic? If you are, then do you claim that supporting war crimes is pro-Semitic?

I still doubt that you are a Quaker. The title of your post, “Right back at you”, is a very unquakerly expression. It is the kind of expression that a combative person would use. Quakers are not combative persons. Quakers also have a Truth Testimony. The statements you have made about Quakers “traveling with anti-Semites” are untrue. Lying is not what Quakers do.

If my belief that you are lying about being a Quaker is true, then you seek to denigrate Quakers. When someone seeks to denigrate Jews, we call that someone an anti-Semite. If my belief about you is true, then you seek to denigrate us. That would make you as bad as an anti-Semite, wouldn't it?

You claim that we uniquely single out Israel. That is an interesting claim. It is easily refuted by facts. Quakers have called out the United States on its wars, both present and past, all the way back to the American Revolution. Quakers have opposed oppression and war in all of the world. In 1947, the American Friends Service committee, a Quaker organization, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. “The Prize recognized 300 years of Quaker action directed at healing rifts and opposing war.” ( http://www.afsc.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/3837/pid/351 ) I know many people in the AFSC. Many AFSC members are Jews. My own Quaker meeting has many Jewish members, including our founder who was interned in a Nazi concentration camp. Your implications that Quakers are somehow anti-Semites is absurd.

Look within you and let go of your hate.
Demonstration of Hypocricy
10 Mar 2009
Modified: 09:58:53 AM
The only example worthy of Quackers' wrath, in addition to Israel, is US? Bwahahaha.

Not Iran, when Quackers' leadership sat with its gencidal president Mahmood Ahmadinejad last year to break the bread and could not find a single word of criticism? Not North Korea, China, Syria, Saudi Arabia? Not even Hamas, or Islamic Jihad or Al Quada?

The anti-Israel random (indeed) Quacker asked "Did you see any Quakers traveling with anti-Semites? " Answer: "Plenty".

How about the Cambridge Meeting House own Skip Schiel - he was at this protest hand-in-hand with fellow travelers. Mr. Schiel,
noted in his bio "At Auschwitz I soon realized that had I been raised in Germany or Austria at that time, as had many of my ancestors, I could have gassed and burned the Jews. I might have been a willing executioner, intoxicated with Nazism." Just your another random 'peace and justice' seeker.

In December 2007, Mr. Schiel also wrote on his website, after participating with fellow Cambridge activists and recording Palestinian violent riots with Israeli Border Police "Israel, or at least Zionist Israel, might implode. Zionism might be a fine idea for another time, another place, perhaps (doubtful in my view) but not now, not on historic Palestinian territory in the midst of a largely Muslim-Arab block of countries." Very deliberate and peaceful, isn't? Oh, and Skip Schtiel also claims that his mother may have been Jewish. Then, he must be one of these Jewish Quackers you claim protect you from charges of antisemitism.
http://teeksaphoto.org/Writing/Kaleidoscope.html

There are plenty of other fascist antisemites at that protest who can be mentioned here. Not "plants", or some other conspiracy theory products, but welcomeded long-time members of Cambridge Blame-the-Jews-First crowd. No one objects to antisemitic signs or even questions them among the protesters - in fact, it were the organizers themselves who were leading the most virulent antisemitic chants.

If a random Quacker cannot even acknowledge Palestinian terrrorism and elected government of Hamas' crimes against humanity, while repeatedly singling out and demonising Israel, there is no reson to doubt his purest of intentions, isn't?
Keeping the Peace and justice movement hate free
10 Mar 2009
Heiress, how do you know that the holder of a sign reading “Jews are terrorists” was not a plant intended to discredit other demonstrators?

This is a cop-out- this is just a way to rationalize bad behavior and excuse it. Becuase I spoke to her- because she was Palestinians and dripped with venom and hatred not towards Israels, but towards jews. Thats how I know.

How does the presence of a few such individuals negate the intentions and motivations of the others who are not anti-semitic?

It absolutely does. It is your responsibility to tell people the message of your event- to explain that hate , racism and discrimination have no place in the peace and justice movement. Racists discredit the movement as a whole.

You said in your first post that “if you stand with anti-semites, travel with anti-Semites, enable anti-Semitism, then you need to rethink your values.” I ask you this, if one is protesting and an anti-semite shows up with a sign, should one just give up on the protest and go home?

No- you should do what I do- ask them to leave, or to pick up a more acceptable sign. When I organize events, i bring signs to minimize the cahnce of people veering off message.

A friend of mine on thw opposite coast wrote to me about standing with a group of Palestinians chanting "Israel is our land and the Jews are our dogs. " She is Jewish and in Jewish Voice for Peace- but not a single one of them told the Plaestinians that it was offensive, and that it threatened their alliance. To her credit, she felt bad, but not bad enough to do anything.
Thats simply wrong and just empowers racism.
But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also
10 Mar 2009
Well, two diatribes of hate. How can you hate so much a religion that is about love and which has never taken up arms against anyone? I hear hate in your words, a hate as strong as that of any anti-Semite. You should ask yourself why you hate so much and why you expect others to not hate has much as you hate.

You say we should keep the peace and justice movement free of hate. I would like to see that, but you do not eliminate hate by driving off the haters. Those who hate need to be listened to in order to understand why they hate. They need to be shown love in order to help their hate go away. It is not the hater we hate, it is the hate itself.

You mentioned a Palestinian woman who said she hates Jews. Did you ask her why she hates Jews? Did you listen to her and find out whether someone in her family has suffered because of what Israel, a country that calls itself a “Jewish State”, has done? Sure, such an injury would be no reason to hate Jews, but it might be the basis of her hate and until you address that and listen to her, it is likely that she will go on hating.

I know of no Quakers that support shooting rockets into Israel, but I know many Quakers who understand who holds the real power in Palestine and who perpetuates the injustice that prompts the hateful to send rockets into Israel. Moreover, protesting Palestine, a land which is the victim of systematic oppression, will do nothing to stop the oppression in Palestine nor improve the security of Israelis. Israel is a state recognized by the United Nations. As a legitimate state, Israel is subject to international law and we stand to demand that Israel respects these norms because Israel is a state. Make Palestine a state and it will see the same demands to adhere to the law under which states are governed.

Chances are you will continue to distort the truth with more posts, but every post you make exposes your hatred more and more and demonstrates that you do not speak for what is best about humanity. Try loving your enemies. You may find that they learn to love you back.
Yo- random Quaker
11 Mar 2009
Did you even read what that that person hds to say?

There is no hate in any of that.


The hate is only in your mind.
Sounded hateful to me
11 Mar 2009
Calling someone a "quacker" sounds a lot like calling a Jew an anti-Semitic name.
"Property before people.
21 Apr 2009
Among the single most racist ideas NEVER said but ALWAYS implied, is that a political and real estate dispute that involves Arabs asserting a their claim for property rights is FAR more significant than the lives of Jews. Anytime someone says,"fight the occupation" or "legitimate Palestinian resistance", they are impliedly stating,"Property before people."`