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Parent Article: Rally Against the US Occupation of Iraq and the Siege of Falluja
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Re: Rally Against the US Occupation of Iraq and the Siege of Falluja
22 Apr 2004
Tim (and Jake),

I guess I had wrongfully assumed (and thus confused) that at least those involved in the "peace movement" would do some investigation before repeatedly perpetuating the deadly lies of their criminal govt. I can only imagine how Afghanis living (not to speak of thousands who are dead) with the destruction of war under a U.S. friendly regime would feel. By U.S. friendly i mean friendly to the idea of U.S. controlling the resources of the area and not working in the best interest of its people and thus needing 24 hour protection by U.S. forces. Your repeated assertion of Afghanistan being in response to 9/11 is brutal and sickening even for me who has not been directly harmed. The line "a response to 9/11" is brutal on many levels, some of these are indicated in a previous response which enlists all the 9/11's that U.S. govt. has visited upon other countries never being mentioned when the tragedy of american lives is used as the ultimate "logical" explanation for killing thousands of afghanis.

Even if one is ignorant about the resources of the area that were being sought by the U.S. govt./companies, for anyone who knows anything about U.S.'s role in the world to think that the explanation given to them by the govt. for engaging in crimes against a whole nation seems "logical" needs to examine their analysis closely.

Also, is it too much to expect and hope that anyone working in the "peace" movement would investigate and have some knowledge of what media all over the world including progressive media here was writing regarding the real reasons behind the destruction U.S. visited upon Afghanistan and the pre-planning involved which then was conveniently done in the pretext of 9/11 (like Iraq). If a mere reading of what was being reported widely in most of the media around the world and some progressive media here was impossible (even when one google search away) then perhaps even paying attention to media of deception was enough. Bush refused to negotiate with the Taliban when they offered to hand over Osama * IF* U.S. provided evidence. They also suggested that if such evidence is provided they will hand him over to the international court for due process. Both of these offers were refused and I distinctly remember Bush getting off his plane and reporters asking him what he thought of the offer. He said "we won't negotiate with them. We don't need evidence, we know he did it" while smirking and days later he started bombing away the country. Is this what you mean by "logical" explanation? "we don't need evidence we know he did it?"

Also, Jake, it is not a matter of "interpretation" that U.S. govt.(and many others) engages in lies to continue its hegemonistic agenda around the world, it is a fact, one that has been proven repeatedly and a fact that impacts the daily lives of millions across the world. The destruction of lives and countries by U.S. govt. for economic reasons (and not just by means of "wars") is not a matter of "interpretation" that we should see if we can come to some agreement about--what sort of agreement do you forsee on this issue? What exactly does an agreement in this context mean? please do share since i see no room for "agreements" about how we funding the oppression of many are in a position to reach an agreement about what is acceptable to the ears of those who benefit from this oppression indirectly.

Aimee has already mentioned the links between oil pipelines, Afghanistan, and unocol corp. Perhaps reading about the negotiations with Taliban that were ongoing between these corp/U.S. govt/Taliban and were not going to the likings of those in power here can shed some light. Or perhaps the fact that Karzai signed off on the agreement for these pipelines in DC right before he was sent to Afghanistan as their new U.S. approved leader could provide a "logical" explanation. Please do research under oil pipeline, Afghanistan, or unocol corp to name a few and see all the details that may help you understand the reasons behind Afghanistan's destruction better. Here are just a few links that may help. I just did this quickly and have not read in depth but you get the idea.

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1023-10.htm
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/CJ06Dj01.html
http://www.newhumanist.com/oil.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,579401,00.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/mahajan0621.html
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/10/13/stories/05132524.htm
http://www.iacenter.org/nowar_oil.htm
http://www.greenparty.org/afghanbomb.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/ridgeway2.php
http://english.pravda.ru/world/2001/10/16/18147.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html