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Announcement :: Organizing
Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
Modified: 12:59:04 PM
Anybody else think it would be a good idea to get everybody together for a huge protest against the war on May Day which is also "Mission Accomplished" day.
Anybody else think it would be a good idea to get everybody together for a huge protest against the war on May Day which is also "Mission Accomplished" day.

My suggestion would be the Common again but to keep things more lively the use of feeder marches to the rally.
There is also an immigrant rights rally in Copley at 2pm.
Perhaps there could be a joining of forces.

This is just a suggestion and would like to hear more ideas.

I would also like to add that we should all try to work together on this event despite the political differences we may have. There is plenty of room in the movement and on the Common for everybody to get their message out.

Can we do this?

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Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
I think that to do this, we need to be talking with each other and particularly with organizations. I'd also check in seriously--and give some deference--to those planning the immigrant rights rally. I sasy this both because they've been working on it for months, and because we need to respect the leadership of immigrants, people of color, and others who have generally been silenced.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
Well, if it's anything like the Immigrants' Rights rally last year that was done by the AFL-CIO, the majority of the people to be silenced will be the immigrants themselves! Here's to hoping we can make something more productive than that fiasco.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
How about a meeting place, time, and date to get something happening? The sooner the better.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
"respect the leadership of immigrants, people of color, and others who have generally been silenced."

Does this mean:
1) We respect the self proclaimed "leader of the ____ community"?
2) White folk should be bossed around by colored people?
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
why not just join the rally at copley and make it a coalition for immigrants rights, may day, and mission accomplished day? It would get everyone working together and strengthen the movement I think
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
If the organizers of the Immigrant Rights rally are willing to expand the rally to include other issues that would be cool. But there are the problems of 1. Distracting from the point of their rally and 2. Being percieved as piggybacking on an event that other people put a lot of effort into.

The rally at Copley starts at 2 so it would be possible to have something on the common earlier and then a march to Copley.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
sounds like a good idea. It would be a great show of solidarity for a mass group of us to show up at their rally
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
I'd urge people to support the immigrant rally. This may well mean different tactics and a particular message. If others want to organize something else, that is, of course, their right. I'd just urge them to do it in a way that doesn't conflict or steal the spotlight from folks who've been organizing for a while toward this event.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
24 Mar 2005
Just my two cents, but May Day is traditionally a labor holiday, from a column by Brice Smith:

It is important to touch on the events surrounding the history of May Day briefly. In 1884, the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions declared that eight hours would constitute a legal day’s work from and after May 1, 1886. When workers went on strike at the McCormick Reaper Works Factory in Chicago on May 3, 1886, police fired into the peacefully assembled crowd, killing four and wounding many others. The anarchists, who had been integral in the eight-hour movement, called for a mass rally the next day in Haymarket Square to protest this brutality. The rally proceeded peacefully until the end when 180 police officers entered the square and ordered the crowd to disperse. At that point, someone threw a bomb, killing one police officer and wounding 70 others. The police responded by firing into the crowd, killing one and injuring many others.

If MayDay is traditionally a labor holiday, and they have been drowning thaty meaning for over a century, should we not create an event that reflects it's original meaning?

Immigrants rights is part of that surely, but that does not mean that any major rally needs to make may day into a immigrants rights day. We can commemorate the multiple losses of life in the 1880's that gave us the 8 hour day (the last shrinkage of the working day) without taking away from the topic of immigrants rights.

In fact the rallies could support each other.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
proposal: independent labor festival at the common at 12. followed by an unpermitted march to copley. against capitalism and against militarism. let's be straightforward here. then link up with the immigrant rights march at copley, give them the spotlight at 2.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
How about different groups organize unpermitted feeder marches and "peace trains" to the Common.

Followed by the above mentioned unpermitted march.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
no matter what happens we need to make sure we don't co-opt their event. secondly, we neeeeed to march. rallies are fucking lame and dont do shit. unpermitted sounds good to me, but lets not plan where to- be spontaneous. in addition, i dig what pete is saying, this should be about labor and not just the war- so if its anti-war we need to connect it. remember, the result of the original may day in chicago was Haymarket, so perfect time for anarchists to come out kicking. i am so down for some actions on may day.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
Maybe the protest could be against free trade, which is very connected to the labor movement. Especially with the Central American Free Trade Agreement coming up, it's really important that there is opposition in the United States. Hell, in Guatemala they rioted for over a week.
come to nyc!
25 Mar 2005
"a new world in our hearts" revolutionary gathering in nyc will be from april 28 - may 1. more info available at http://www.dominantfiction.com/mayday.htm

also for those of us who aren't workerists it may be good to note that may day is also about CLASS struggle which can be conceptualized as a struggle against the concept of class itself...
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
Uh, yeah... that's always alot easier when you are some middle class hipster, ain't it? No thanks.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
25 Mar 2005
I don't think we have to try to hard to come up with a reason to do something on May Day.

War, Poor treatment of immigrants, "Free" trade, all of these are good causes and all of them are symptoms of capitalism.

There's nothing wrong with treating symtoms but the disease must be eliminated to be cured
and don't forget "May Day is Lei Day"
25 Mar 2005
yes, May is Lei Day in Hawaii!

http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/parks/programs/leiday/index1.htm

ain't it time for the sun to shine on this rotten scabrous joke of a government we have in this country?
Know When to Hold 'Em, When to Fold 'Em, When to Roll 'Em, and When to Run
26 Mar 2005
May Day is Hay Day where I'm from, but it all sounds good, as long as people are nice to each other. And remember, if you're marching and the nice boys in riot gear give you a hard time, you can always walk single file on the sidewalk to wherever you want to go, and if they want to follow a bunch of people snaking through the city like that, it will be a hell of a show, especially if the single file line splits off into different directions. The powers that be want nothing more than an excuse for violent confrontations that justify their fear-mongering tactics. I suggest no spitting or throwing rocks, too. All the p that b have to do is pay some ass $50 to throw a bottle for the whole thing to break down if people with a real interest in protest and demonstration don't disassociate themselves from deliberate provocations like that. I'm not saying any of this because I think anyone legitimately involved in struggle here would do that, but because momentum seems to be growing and you can bet the cat's balls that the aforementioned powers that be are worried! Well done so far--see you in the streets...
"middle class hipster"?
27 Mar 2005
if that was directed at me... the bus to nyc is $15....
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
27 Mar 2005
anyone want to start up an email group to discuss this? or are there any groups already that could work to organize this?
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
27 Mar 2005
I think it was "struggling against the concept of class," not going to new york, that the middle class hipster comment was about.
Struggle against the concept of class?
28 Mar 2005
Class isn't some abstract thing that oppresses everyone maus, its a very real delination that has very real consequences and controls on many people. He's exactly right, the bullshit your talking about is middle class guilt liberalism.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
28 Mar 2005
Definitely agree. I have never met a radical who spoke of "transceding class" (or else derided others as "workerists") who didn't come from a privileged class background. Go figure.
Classist Bigotry
28 Mar 2005
For those presumably of the so-called working class, or whatever class considers the middle class their oppressors, what about all the people with even fewer opportunities and luxuries than yourself, who we might call the "subsistence class"? They number in the billions and would see you as no more than an ally than some you consider our friend the middle class hipster. You live much better than they do, and avail yourself of a number of comparative luxuries that you take for granted, like clean drinking water at the turn of a faucet, the absence of warlords in your midst, etc. While you decry middle-class guilt liberalism, the subsistence class around the world would, if they had access to computers like you do, and knowledge of the language of the global elite, more than likely condemn you for your own self-righteous grandstanding while their babies cry in the night from hunger. So go ahead and piss on people more priveleged than you, and be thankful that the teeming masses who would piss on you have a lot more pressing concerns than venting their frustrations in such a child-like manner.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
28 Mar 2005
Gimme a break. When someone with first world privileges arrogantly claims to be on the same level of oppression as someone from the third world and pretends to speak on their behalf, or worse tells them how they should internalize their exploitation or oppression and organize themselves accordingly, then you have a direct analogy you could make. That's not the case here.

I don't care if someone is from a middle class background if they make an honest attempt to challenge their privileges and develop a radical consciousness that leads them to throw their lot in with workers and poor folks (y'know the people who's everyday existence puts them at odds with capitalism). I do however have serious problems with people who can't keep themselves in check when they make arrogant statements against so-called "workerists" and make half-ass calls to "abandon class" when I know full well they are from a privileged middle class background. It would be like some male deriding feminists as "genderists" who need to think beyond gender in their activism. Or a white person coming down on folks of color who prioritize race in their organizing and telling them they need to transcend notions of "race". It's bullshit.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
28 Mar 2005
cwa: While I'm not sure what Maus meant by "workerist" I didn't see it as a particularly arrogant or nasty statement-more like an attempt to point out that May Day need not revolve around workers, that it could also be an occasion to reflect on the siginificance of class awareness, identity, etc. The response that Maus got sounded like an uncalled for personal attack. I take Maus' point to be that there are different ways for different people to bring us closer to a class-free society. While some will focus on structural changes, others will work on transcending class identity. There is certainly an argument to be made with regard to the merits of transcending class identity versus encouraging class consciousness in the struggle to eliminate class, but I don't see how class-based nastiness is part of that. Instead it strikes me as the kind of needlessly antagonistic posturing that marginalizes otherwise valid movements.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
28 Mar 2005
So why the need to take over other (COOPT) a day held in regard by another struggle? Why, of all the days that could be "talk about freeing our mind and transcending the oppressive construct of social class day," do people want to choose May 1--the day some of us commemorate one of history's biggest wins by a class-based movement?

guess we can look forward to another ivory tower write-over of history. fucking parlor "anarchists".
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
28 Mar 2005
GO BACK TO SUDBURY
Fuck the War. Fuck the Rich.
28 Mar 2005
Fuck the War. Fuck the Rich.
March Against War and Capitalism
Sunday May 1 Boston Common
Begin gathering at Noon.
March around 1
Meet up with Immigrants' Rights Rally at 2 in Copley.
Let's get an email list going and some face to face meetings. The pointless bickering here is leading me to believe that this thread is nearing the end of it's usefulness.
Let's get back to planning a May Day event
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
Why so surly, Sammy? You should try to smile more. I take it you won't be supporting the Immigrants' Rights people, since they're coopting May Day? And where is Sudbury?
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
"I take it you won't be supporting the Immigrants' Rights people, since they're coopting May Day?"

Nope, they've been having their rallies on May Day because they're absolutely in keeping with that tradition and absolutely a continuation of those struggles. I'll be there (and have no interest whatsoever in joining some kind of lifestylist "anarchy" parade instead).
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
Not sure what the conflict is with having an event that is for general amnesty for immigrant WORKERS on Mayday. The general strike that marked the first Mayday in 1886 was led predominately by "illegals" (Germans, Bohemians, Irish, Scandavians, etc.) for the eight-hour workday. At least half ofthe Haymarket Martyrs were German immigrants. Continuing the struggle today to extend full rights and benefits to immigrant workers is very much keeping with the Mayday tradition.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
Depends what the rally is. If it's trying to focus the day on race and not class, then i'd be pretty pissed. As I would assume that the liberal group organizing it has no class analysis, seems pretty ridiculouos to peddle to them.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
Every year, at least as long as I can remember, this annual demonstration has advocated for immigrant workers' rights (general amnesty, anti-discrimination, access to health care, equal wages, etc.). I would be really surprised if this year was any different.
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
Maus's NYC thing is just pathetic. Why is it that the anarchist movement is so focused on skill shares and vegan potlucks and yet there isn't one (outside of the very marginal) syndicalist union celebrating the event. Could it be that the two are connected?
Re: Call for a Proposal for a Huge Protest on May Day
29 Mar 2005
That event looks like a total Mickey Mouse caricature of anarchism. I think I'll pass, thanx. Yankees suck, and NYC anarchists do too.
Protest for the sake of it?!
01 Apr 2005
I can't in good faith go to an anarchist rally when it is merely a cheap ploy to have a protest with no platform to generate hits on a local website. I am not that desperate for publicity, or to generate it for others.