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El-Aksa and O3: A Year Later
04 Oct 2001
A year later...
On October 3rd last year hundreds of Muslims held Friday prayers outside the UMass/Boston campus. A diverse coalition demostrated in response to Ralph Nader‘s exclusion from the First Presidential Debates but the Muslims who rarely hold Friday prayers outside the mosque came to raise awareness about US Foreign Policy in the Middle East. This was five days after the Intifada began. The worsening situation in Palestine certainly bolstered attendence but this was not a direct response. Their timing demonstrated indifference towards all candidates, disaproval of US policy in general. But more important it demonstrated authenticity. They said what they had to in their own unique way. In retrospect their message fell on deaf ears, only a minority of the neo-globalist demonstrators listened. But then again no one heard Nader either, folks moved on. I focused on neo-globalism (or, anti-globalization, as the corporate media like to say) and the Palestinian struggle for the past year and the color representing the Greens stuck smeared over my world.

Naive hope and change became the sign for struggle, Islamic Jihad. Every once in a while it popped up like the sporatic growth of connections between neo-globalists, pro-Palestinians, and scores of other causes. It hinted at jealousy of land and dollars; then became revenge. Soothing through love and prayer it remains giving us hope that the world will sustain. Now it reminds me of a year ago, 600 Muslims communicating through prayer despite a largely ignorant croud, and I strain to match the strength in that.

A year ago I wrote a piece about Al-Aksa that began with an email from my grandmother who lives in Israel. I used her opinions to introduce and relate the Palestinian struggle to globalization. Well, that was my interntion. What I actually wrote, you can read it below, generally discusses the conflict and lamely calls for peace. Anyway, it generated a discussion so I was pleased. A few days ago my grandma wrote about politics for the first time since and it reminded me that a year had passed. But this time I deleted her message not wanting to compromise fitting my message into her definitions. It's always easier to redefine things others define for you. Thinking within boundaries is easier than invention. But restricting imagination and limiting potential solutions can’t be the path towards change or sustainability. Then I realized that either way something is compromised.

There are reprecusions to speaking out. To thinking out loud. To acting out loud. And there’s also a great chance that you will not be understood at all. But silence is no better, so here’s my compromise:

From afar the tendency is to imagine colors in the darkest of places. Four weeks in Israel/Palestine was all it took to suck the colors out of my minds eye. No blue, no red, no yellow, nothing. Think about the conflict you imagine water, land, religion, race, politics, to define - to make sense. But when you see that there is none and for power that all will be put aside you go blind. I cannot imagine what a whole lifetime is like. A week after getting to the US F-16s over DC only reinforced this feeling, black.

But now last years green is defined as a stand and this is a reminder to do so. This past weekend 20,000 activist gathered in DC to protest WWIII. Among them were Muslims and neo-globalizers respecting diverse tactics and demonstrating solidarity. Makes you wonder what next year’s color going to be?

El-Aksa
by Rona Even 12:51pm Tue Oct 3 '00
ronaeven (at) yahoo.com

Editorial about Al-Aksa.

Dear Rona,
HI! How's life? How are your classes etc? and how are
your living arrangements? What are your plans? At the
rate things are burning up around here, there won't be
an Israel for you to return to!!!! We are all scared
to death. Our soldier is in Officer's Training and we
hope that they don't take him out and send him to
battle with the Palestinians. It is all very
frightning. There is no reason in the world why I
cannot go and visit the Dome of the Rock! If the Arabs
can wander around West Jerusalem, visit Yad V'Shem, I
should be able to visit their holy sites too. It's
just a great chance for Arafat to flex his muscles---
but imagine how many people have died on both sides.
INSANITY! No more news WRITE!

Dear Grandma,
It's almost 3 a.m. here at the Indy Media Center and I
was just about to compose a short editorial about what
is going on over there. As usual I disagree with what
you wrote although I'm not sure where you were going.
This summer, while on a Palestinian led tour of
Mosques within the Old City of Jerusalem I was
escorted out of the Dome of the Rock. I was kneeling
in exhaustion, having waited tables into the morning.
They thought I was praying. When I explained my
intentions to the guard, he apologized and let me
return. I did not. I was confused and insulted. How
could they mistake me for the likes of the young
orthodox man I saw outside the gate being questioned
by ISRAELI police for carrying a Tora and ripping his
shirt in mourning to observe the temple's occupation
by Palestinians. I asked Muslim friends to explain.
Islam has intricate laws that pertain to prayers and
conduct at holy sites. My actions were disrespectful
of those laws. Furthermore they were threatening
because of the long violent history at the site. Ariel
Sharon who's violent history of disreguarding UN laws
provided Palestinians this week with a reason to fear
Middle Eastern Studies majors like me who kneel when
they're tired. His presence, along with soldiers and
orthodox, was disrespectful and threatening to Muslim
Palestinians attending Friday sermons. A slap in the
face of those disregarded daily by the state. Muslim
Palestinians receive fewer social benefits than any
Israeli citizen, only those without a passport are
less privileged. Remember, these are bare bones
benefits such as medical care, housing, and water
rights we're talking about. Palestinians have been
forced to patiently watch Clinton dictate orders to
his pawns, Arafat and Barak. And hope for a miracle to
provide substance and relevance to the "talks", at
which there is little. Why are you surprised at their
response to Sharon's insults, pouring salt over an
open wound, let alone the Israeli Defense Forces' own
excessively violent response. It was Israel's
responsibility to find a lasting solution as the
sovereign power in the lands of Palestine. It had
decades to do so, but American interests have left
Palestine and Israel divided internally as much as
externally. These interests are those of coorporations
invested in oil and weapons; not democracy. Democratic
or Republican, the US administration is out to promote
coorporate interests at the cost of those who cannot
defend themselves against capitalism. We should be
praying together, brother to brother, this year in
Jerusalem.

add your own comments



IMC begins a dialog
by "nahvon" 3:23pm Tue Oct 3 '00



i've been following the conflict in israel/palestine
over the past few days and have been quite shocked
that the IMC is not attempting to cover this event.
this said, i'm glad that this editorial has appeared
to begin the process.

i am neither jew nor muslim, though i've studied the
region for almost two years now. the issue between
isrealis and palestinians is a complex web of issues
dating back centuries at some points, so this conflict
is a tricky one to solve.

several things i find critical in the past 50 years
are these points:

when the british forces left palestine after zionists
and palestinians began to get violent, they left all
of their equipment, trucks, ect. with the
palestinians.

when zionists declared the nation of israel, all
middle eastern jews were effectively forced out of
their homes thorughout the middle east. over 200,000
jews, living peacefully in iraq, were forced out of
their ancestrial homes...with no chance of returning
or gaining compensation.

during the late 40s, palestinians fled their homes in
fear of retaliation. according to their class status,
most of the poorer palestinians ended up in refugee
camps. at times other arab countries controlled these
camps, but palestinians were never given citizenship
status, democratic rights, etc. by neighboring arab
countries.

at no time since the israelis took over the west bank,
at least from my studies, have other arab nations
attempted to assist displaced palestinians in any
great means.

of course, the issue regarding displaced jews
throughout the arab world isn't even discussed.

as for the Al-Aksa, i find it ironic that any one
tribe can claim the temple mount as their own.
jerusalem has been conquered by various cultures for
thousands of years. king david effectively took
jerusalem as the capital of his kingdom centuries
before the prophet mohammad started the muslim
movement.

to say that israel is a beefed up military zone in the
middle east, supporting u.s. needs, is a valid
argument. on the flip side of that, you can also view
israel as the last stronghold of jewish culture in the
whole middle east. of course they'd have a huge
military presence, since that is their last front in
their historical homeland. the analogy of seeing the
fear and rage of a cornered dog comes to mind.

i give no solutions b/c there are many and the way is
complex. the situation seems extremely tribal to me,
grudges held by two cultures that sometimes don't mix
well. but why can't they work out a lasting peace. if
jews lived in iraq for centuries among arabs, there
should be some common ground for the israelis and
palestinians.

i hope my comments are factual (i am not a
professional middle eastern specialist) and i hope
that the IMC can become a common ground for discussing
the issue.



Chicago IMC covers Palestine daily!
by Dick Reilly/Chicago IMC Outreach WG 2:23am Thu Oct
5 '00
hammerhard (at) aol.com



Just a brief response to your post. Both the Chicago
IMC and San Francisco IMC (indybaymedia) have carried
posts on the latest events in occupied Palestine, and
info on the almost daily solidarity demos going on
around the US since clashes began after Sharon's
provacation the Haram Al Sharif. Indeed, Chicago IMC
has offered literally daily updates from the single
best website in Palestine on breaking news - produced
by the Al Addameer Prisoner's Support Organization.
Chicago IMC also has posted info from Al-Awda-The
Palestine Right of Return Coalition, and covered other
news from Chicago's 80,000 strong Palestinian
community. IMC volunteers have also
encouraged groups like Al Awda, ADC and others to post
info on the IMC global site as well.

That said, the best way to insure that stories
important to you get up is to get actively involved
with the IMC process itself. Post a story. volunteer
with an IMC working group.in your area. IMC is
reader-user driven and
committed to providing an accessable non-corporate
democratic media alternative that groups and
communities who have been disenfranchised by the
corporate press worldwide can use. And that includes
Ramallah, Nablus, and Al-Quds, well as Seattle,
Chiapas and Prague. As for the Israeli IMC site-well
here's hoping we see an
IMC - Palestine as well.

Dick Reilly
Outreach Working Group
Chicago IMC.



Boston Committee on the Middle East web page
by Aram 7:29pm Fri Oct 6 '00
bcome (at) salam.org


Bringing together two topics of interest to Boston
IMC'ers, I'd like to let you all know about the web
page of the Boston Committee on the Middle East:
http://www.salam.org.

We do a semi-regular online zine. The latest issue is
about the US presidential elections, including an
analysis of the candidates' positions on the Middle
East (Israel/Palestine, Iraq, etc). Here is the table
of contents for this issue:



Special Issue on the U.S. Presidential Elections
and the sorry excuse of candidates that the two major
parties have put forward.
Vol. 4, No. 4

Quotes of the Month (this month we bring you 2)
"What's the difference?"
Moderator Jim Lehrer, after hearing both candidates'
answers to one of the questions
during the first of the so-called presidential
debates.

"Our admiration for Israel has never been greater; our
commitment to Israel has never
been stronger; our friendship with Israel has never
been deeper; America stands by
Israel now and forever. Our special relationship with
Israel is unshakable; it is ironclad,
eternal and absolute. It does not depend on the peace
process; it transcends the peace
process."
Speech by Al Gore (Al Whore?) at the 39th Annual
Policy Conference of the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee, May 18, 2000. See
below for the full speech.

News and Analysis
- ADC Election 2000 Update: The American Arab
Antidiscrimination Committee reviews
the two major parties' foreign policy positions and
sees no difference.
- A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, Edward Said
endorses Ralph Nader of the Green
Party
- Al Gore's Speech to the Israeli Lobby. No wonder his
nickname is Al Whore.
- A Long Hot Summer of Punditry. Norman Solomon
analyzes the major-party
conventions.

Activism
- Please take a moment to sign the online petition
affirming that every Palestinian has a
legitimate, individual right to absolute restitution
of all his or her property and the right to
return to his or her original home.
- Online petition to the E.U. and U.S. governments:
Prosecute Israeli war criminal
- Israel/Palestine Update: Will there be peace?
Justice? Wednesday, October 25th 7-9pm,
MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts

Link of the Month
While the Boston Committee on the Middle East does not
officially endorse any
candidates, we strongly urge our readers to consider
all candidates. One candidate who
has consistently stood with the powerless (and who is
on record opposing aid to Israel
and in favor of ending sanctions against Iraq) is
Ralph Nader, candidate of the Green
Party. His official web page is at
http://www.votenader.org.

www.salam.org



Israel, the land of monsters
by Greg 5:54am Sat Oct 7 '00



These fucking Israeli jews have are completely without
conscience. They act worse than hyenas - blowing away
kids on the street - you would think that these people
might have learned something from the past, but I
guess not. They would have made grandpa Hitler proud.
Remember when they bombed the hell out of a refugee
camp a few years back killing some 100 people? A
swedish UN officer did the right thing when he got a
video of a Israeli drone scoping out the place right
before the bombing, instead of giving the tape to the
the US/Israeli lapdogs at the UN (his bosses) he
released to French media, and human rights
organizations. Yeah, the fucking jews tried to cover
that one up too, but I guess when when you are
naziesque as they are, it's really hard to hide the
blood...Fuck Israel.



Serbia and Israel
by Matt 6:04am Sat Oct 7 '00



There has been little coverage of these events here
because they dont relate to the sites content very
directly. WTO and convention protests and debates over
'what is anarchism' are hobbies and fashionable poses
next to the real deal.



Isreal is not alone
by Todd 1:59pm Sat Oct 7 '00



Isreal is not alone in the murder of children or in
the opression of minorities. I agree with your
criticism of the Isreali police and the murder of
children can not go unpunished but I don't think it
should be placerd as a blanket criticism of all
Isrealis or Jews. The world has certainly seen enough
bloodshed and no religious or ethnic group is exempt
from atrocities. I think you have to make a
distinction between the state which supports the
killing and a blanket criticism of an entire group of
people.

Peace
-Todd



wait a minute...."fuck israel"?
by lion 9:43pm Sat Oct 7 '00



i don't believe any form of violent war is an ethical
thing...and certainly the israeli soldiers that have
been firing at unarmed civilians and children are
commiting gruesome and sad atrocities....but alot of
these soldiers are also basically kids themselves, and
have grown up in an environment of war, where
palestinian terrorist attacks have specifically
targeted buses full of women and children. There are
fundamentalists on both sides, and these are the
people that are perpetuating the violence, by creating
simple extremes of us verse them, when the issues, as
raised in one of the above posts, are very complex.
Whomever posted the entry that ended with "fuck
israel" is creating a violent sculpture of thought
forms that closely resembles those that precede all
actions one might label as atrocities. Please don't be
so dense, as it will surely lead you in this
direction.



response to article
by esther 10:45pm Sat Oct 7 '00
ishtarmalka (at) yahoo.com


thank you for your words of truth, im in israel amid
the flurry of bullets and the honest words of the
outside world is comforting...i have been shot at
number of times, all synchronize by chants of death to
jews! there is no and was no hope for peace just
autonomy....blessings to all



Let's not equate victimizer with victim here
by Aram 8:49pm Sun Oct 8 '00



Regarding the comments from all the apologists for
Israel, I would like to say this: In the conflict
between PALESTINIANS and Israelis, one side is the
opressor, one side is the oppressed; one side is the
"ethnic cleansor" and one side has been "ethnically
cleansed;" one side is doing 90% of the shooting and
one side is doing 90% of the dying. And anybody who
tries to equate the two sides is just an apologist for
the opressor. And this includes all of those who want
peace and "compromise" without justice.

AndI have this to say to the writer who tries to
excuse the behavior of the Israeli soldiers by saying
that they're kids themselves who grew up as victims of
terrorist attacks on buses: you are a hypocrite. First
of all, the number of terrorist attacks on Israeli
civilian targets has historically been so few and far
between (compared to the number of Israeli attacks on
civilian targets in Lebanon, Palestine, etc.) that
VERY FEW of these "kids" would have experienced one.
Besides, if hearing about such an act is an excuse for
the behavior that we're seeing, then what the
Palestinians have been through during the past 50
years should give them license to do pretty much
anything they want, right??? It is true that
ultimately the war criminals here are Barak, Sharon,
the Israeli generals giving the orders, and of course
Bill Clinton, Al Whore, and the Israeli lobby to which
Clinton/Whore sold their Middle East policy back in
1992 (another reason to fight for campaign finance
reform). On the other hand, the Nuremberg trials
established the rule that following illegal orders is
also a crime.

Of course there are courageous and fair-minded
Israelis too. Gush Shalom
(http://www.gush-shalom.org/) has been fighting for
JUSTICE as a pre-requisite to peace. Unfortunately
they are a small minority.

www.salam.org



First-hand reports
by Aram 9:25pm Sun Oct 8 '00



GUSH SHALOM - pob 3322, Tel-Aviv 61033 -
http://www.gush-shalom.org/

Press Release


Gush Shalom (The Israeli Peace Bloc) received the
following information from our Arab contacts,
inhabitants of Nazareth: At about 7.00 PM today, a mob
numbering at 1, 000 left the Jewish town Upper
Nazareth and descended upon the neighboring Arab town
of Nazareth, some holding clubs and other having
firearms. They broke into the Eastern Neighborhood of
Nazareth and started hitting and shooting
indiscriminately at its inhabitants. The police stood
aside and did not interfere, but when inhabitants of
Nazareth rallied to defend themselves, the police
attacked them - first with tear gas and later with
live ammunition. There are many wounded, and at least
one Arab inhabitant was killed. At the time of
writing, the police is still shooting at inhabitants
of Nazareth. Today's attack followed an attack
yesterday upon the Arabs who live in Upper Nazareth
itself, which included an attack upon the home of
Knesset Member Azmi Bishara. Then, too, the police
stood aside.

What is happening in Nazareth today is a pogrom,
bearing all the hallmarks which were well known to
Jews in Czarist Russia - primarily te collusion
between the racist attackers and the police. This is a
day of shame for the state of Israel - and it is a
warning sign for the disaster in store, if the country
does not rid itself of the racist scourage. Gush
Shalom calls for the immediate sacking of Alik Ron,
the openly racist commander of the Northern Sector
Police, under whose aegis this crime had taken place.
Gush Shalom also warns Prime Minister Barak to drop
the mad idea of inviting arch-provocateur Ariel Sharon
into his government. The mere rumor of Sharon's
imminent entry into the government has already aroused
extremist groups to violence all over the country; his
actual presence at the helm will be disaster which the
country may not survive.

Nazareth seems not an isolated case. Reports of the
same kind are coming from different places, both from
the occupied territories where armed settlers are
reported to be simultaneously attacking many
Palestinian villages and towns as well as the Arab
neigborhoods in East Jerusalem. The simultaneity and
the exact similarity in tactics suggests preplanning
and coordination.

Further details: Adam Keller, Gush Shalom Spokesperson
972-(0)3-5565804 First hand information from Nazareth:
Dr. Nabila Espanyoli 972-(0)50-581709 or Samira Khouri
972-(0)6-6570650

========================================================

JERUSALEM CAPITAL OF TWO STATES
Add this to all your mail
(and suggest to your friends to do the same)
========================================================



[As you read try to put this into perspective. Taking
into account population size, it is as if one-third of
the population of Washington, DC would have been shot
by a foreign occupation army during the past 10 days
-- more than all the government officials of the USA.]


Please Help Us !

The killing of the Palestinian civilians continues.
The Emergency rooms at our hospitals are still busy
trying desperately to safe the lives of kids with
shuttered heads, chests and limbs by live bullets,
anti-tank bullets and rockets. This is true and
serious, it is not an interesting piece of fiction.

Our demonstrations are confronted by every kind of
deadly weapon. I've just came from work at the
Emergency rooms in Nablus City in the West Bank. The
situation is horrible and painful. It is worse than a
real war, because in wars both sides have weapons to
defend themselves. But here we have nothing to defend
our families. We either forget about our occupied
land, or get killed wildly, this is the Israeli code
of civilization for this millenium. But we choose to
say NO. Because we believe that we have rights worth
defending, and because we believe in you, our
supporters all over the world.

Its time for you to help, as we desperately need you.

In Nablus today, a 9 years old boy taking part in a
peaceful demonstration approached a strange object on
the side of the street and picked it, minutes later
the kid arrived at the hospital emergency room with
his right hand shuttered and right thigh severely
injured.

In Nablus today, Mohammad was shot in his thigh, as
two of his friends carried him to the ambulance both
were shot, Musa in his face, and Khaled in his
shoulder. Musa went into deep coma as his jaw, tongue,
and right side of his head shuttered away.

The situation in Palestine is very bad and dangerous.
People are being killed and seriously injured every
where. The Israeli army opens fire on every
demonstration. Settlers close the roads and attack
civilians in their cars and fields. We are not safe to
go out side to seek medical care or food.

We are hopeless, we do not have weapons to launch
painful attacks against the Israeli army. We only have
the stones of our lost land to throw, and we have our
bare bodies to receive their bullets and rockets back.


This is our land, and we will continue to fight with
all the means and ways we have against the occupying
force. But we need your help, our brothers, sisters,
friends, supporters all over the world. At these
horrible days we critically need every kind of help
you can do for the people of Palestine. Whatever your
place in the world, whatever your position and circle
of influence, you are able to help.



We do not hate the Jews, but we love our land. And for
our land, we will fight endlessly. We will continue to
throw stones at the merciless occupying forces, and
when stones are over we will throw olive branches, and
when they are over we'll throw our dishes and forks,
and when they are over we'll throw our bodies. It is
OUR land, our fields, our trees, our homes, our
families, our springs, our sky and clouds.

Please write for Palestine, demonstrate, donate, and
create awareness among those who know nothing about
our suffering. Please we need you.

Thameen Darby
Medical Student - Rafedia Hospital - Nablus/Palestine
- 10/06



Palestinian freedom = Palestinian democracy?
by "nahvon" 3:00pm Mon Oct 9 '00



I'm clear on the Palestinians' desire to be free from
an oppressive "first world" military state, but I am
not quite convinced that this is freedom outside the
realm of religious beliefs.

Israel is barely a democratic state that can keep
coalition governments in power for full term. They are
mostly one religion, though have tolerated other
religions during the past 50 years.

The Palestinian Authority and the PLO have constantly
displeased the Palestinain people due to corruption. I
wouldn't regard the PA and the PLO as a democratic
model of government for the occupied territories of
Palestine.

Most governments in the Middle East are either
monarchies, dictatorships, or theocracies based on
Muslim principals.

These observations do not make me want to get involved
on either side of the Palestinian issue, eventhough
Israeli violence is not acceptable. I do not see the
Palestinian fight for freedom as a fight for
democratic, or anarchistic, freedom. After their
sacking of the Tomb of Joseph, Palestinians simply
want to create another Muslim state without the basic
freedoms I fought for in Seattle.

Who lived in Palestine is irrelevant. Jews were there
centuries before Muslims. The temple mount in
Jerusalem was holy to the Jews centuries before it
became holy to the Muslims. Jews and Muslims alike
were conquered countless times by various empires.

If we are all agreed that corporate control of the
planet should cease, then Middle Eastern countries
should quit providing the crude oil for all of our
SUVs. They should learn what democracy looks like by
creating equality for all and not "pushing Jews to the
sea". Just like the colonial slave trade: where
there's demand, there's someone there to give it to
you.

Palestinians are definitely underdogs in terms of
weapons, but neither side is right in this argument.

What would happen if the Iraqi government let Iraqi
Jews move back to their ancestrial homes?

How about if Spain offered to give all the gold back
to the Jews they pushed out in the late 1490s?

What if the Catholic church compensated Jews, Muslims,
and Christians in Palestine for all of their
atrocities during the Crusades?

I just hope the outcome of this continued struggle
will be one where the poeple win a chance to have a
voice, not to just control a piece of land.



A Clarification
by Todd 3:53pm Mon Oct 9 '00



I never meant to justify the atrocities comitted
against the Palistinian people by the Isreali
government. I only felt that the post that ended with
fuck Isreal streiotyped an entire group of people not
all of whom are guilty or support the actions of their
government. The Isreali government and those soldiers
that indiscriminesntly kill civilians are certainly at
fault and I do not blame the palistinians at all for
their anger tword the Isealis. Trust me I would be out
their as well fighting them if I was in the shoes of
the palistinian. However I think one has to draw the
line at justified anger and being anti-Isreali or
anti-Jew which was all I was trying to get across.

-Todd



Missing the point
by evan 11:15am Tue Oct 10 '00



Let's backtrack, just a little. Remember just a little
while ago, the Israelis and Palestinians were
brokering a peace agreement? Now what exactly was put
on the table by Barak at these peace negotiations, and
how did Arafat respond? Barak offered a capital in
East Jerusalem to the Palestinian Authority, which was
a move that stretched far beyond any imaginable
concession from just a year ago. Surely, the
Palestinians wouldn't have "sovereignty" over the
Temple Mount, but consider these two questions: Why,
if Islamic authorities already control the Temple
Mount, is political sovereignty necessary? And have
the Palestinians really had a problem, before they
started their own bloody riot, in getting to their
mosque and worshipping freely? For that matter, how
much access to the Western Wall was allowed to the
Israelis and jews of the world when East Jerusalem was
occupied by Jordan and resided in by Palestinians? No
access was allowed, and jews were shot and killed by
snipers above the Western Wall as a new generation
entered their holiest site for the first time in their
lives that they have been allowed to. But the
difference between the two situations is that in the
case of the Six Day War of 1967, jews were not allowed
to visit their holy sites, whereas muslims can go and
pray on top of the temple mount as much as they
desire. Arafat had the opportunity to secure a capital
in Jerusalem for his Palestinian state, and for
whatever reasons, out of fear of assassination or in
some sneaky diplomatic maneuver, he withdrew from
negotiations and didn't even suggest an alternative or
anything but an ultimatum! And the truth is, if you
ask the Palestinians who are rioting in Israel, they
don't just want to stop at East Jerusalem, but they
want to reclaim the whole country, which is a fine
thing to do to the only truly democratic power in the
Middle East, and one established by the UN at that!
The media is not slanted, or at least not in the way
of the jews, as a picture was published of a bloodied
jewish american student who was depicted in the New
York Times as a Palestinian (although it was later
detracted). If you want truth, read the newspaper and
not the independent media. A truly intelligent person
can discover for themselves where the real slant is.



Israel a democracy? yeah right
by BugEyedBob 1:28pm Tue Oct 10 '00



If Israel is such a democracy, how come the Jews have
shot so many kids and tore down so many Palestinian
homes to give to jewish settlers? Are muslims allowed
to vote? And yes, let's backtrack back to the UN days,
whose land did the Imperial powers under the facade of
UN take away to give to the jews? And what happened to
the people who were living there before? Oh, I see,
after living there for a millenium, the people who in
what was then Palestine kindly gave their homes to the
Jews. Give me a break...



Aggreeance with Nahvon
by I-Man 1:37pm Tue Oct 10 '00
address: Boston, MA anonymoswriter (at) hotmail.com


I would have to agree with many of the things that
Nahvon stated about that region and the conflicts that
have been going on over the decades, and actually,
over the centuries. I also find it hard to sit there
and blame the big bad United States America for all
the problems in that region. We aren't that big a
puppetmaster. Don't forget, after the "Eight Day War",
it was Jimmy Carter and the USA that stepped in and
negotiated with Israel for the Saudi Arabia and Egypt
concerning returning land back to them. Our support
for them is for the same reason that we support Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Middle Eastern nations.
It is because that region is so unstable and always
has been this way, that we will help support any
nation who states that they will support peace in the
region.

Eventhough it is easy for us to grasp the concept of
"Can't we all get along?" and believe in the idea that
no matter your religous origin, you should be ableto
live in and share the same space. Many people in that
region find those thought insane.

Only now after coming out of our "Cold War" haze are
we as a world realizing that our belief that "bad
places are full of good people being controled by bad
people" is actually false. If you were to go up to the
average person in this region and ask, "Do you want
peace?". They would say, "Yes, absolutely with out a
doubt." If you were to then ask them, "Even if that
means that there would be a Jewish (or Palestinian)
leader?", they would immediately reply, "No, I would
rather die fighting than see that happen."

They want peace, but ONLY if it is on their terms.
This means one of two things are going to have to
happen:

1.) One side will have to erradicate the other.

or

2.) They will have to learn to accept compromises.



Hypocrites or fools
by Mark Boulos 2:10pm Tue Oct 10 '00
markboulos (at) hotmail.com


While I treasure the insights and input of the many
anti-Zionist Jews who I count among my friends, it
continues to shock me that most otherwise Leftist and
humanitarian Jews can be so blindly devoted to Israel,
a viciously racist theocracy with murderous,
apartheid-like domestic policies. Such allegiance
deeply undercuts any credibility that they might have
on all other political/moral issues. All supporters of
Israel, Jews and Gentiles alike, are either hypocrites
or fools.

Let us consider for a moment the courage it would take
to protest with rocks, knowing the pigs would respond
with automated gunfire. Kind of makes the WTO/IMF
protests look like picnics, no?

It would be difficult to overestimate the contribution
of Jews to leftist thought and politics. It is a great
shame that Israel and its crimes are the Jewish
political legacy.

Long live the glorious Palestinian Resistance!



Permission to kill
by Alternative Information Center -Jerusalem 5:18pm
Tue Oct 10 '00



Permission to kill

By Yitzhak Laor

On Sunday, November 30, 1972, British paratroops
attempted to prevent a march for human rights in the
Northern Ireland city of Derry on the basis of a
judicial order making the Catholic march illegal. That
Sunday ended in the massacre of 14 demonstrators.
Bloody Sunday will never be erased from the
blood-drenched history of the Anglo-Irish struggle.
The British are still studying the events that took
place that day in Derry's working-class
neighborhoods.The massacre of Palestinians in recent
days will be with us for many years, not only because
it won the full backing of the media - Israel
Television led the favorable coverage, but the entire
Israeli press followed in the footsteps of the
holiday-eve television reports.
The old instincts came into play: criticism of the
Israel Defense Forces is prohibited, because the IDF -
God - acted this time as well.

The IDF did not defend Israel. Israel was not in
danger. Permission to kill has become "self-evident"
even when it comes to defending the thorn-in-the-side
settlement of Netzarim. It is permissible to kill a
child in the arms of his father and to afterward deny
that killing "because he had no reason to be there."
It is permissible to shoot missiles at demonstrators,
because at stake is not just defense of the state or
its citizens, but a "principle": one does not
surrender to violence. It is permissible to use
violence to make others surrender. And as usual, in
summing up the entire event, human life is important
only when the human is not Arab.

The Israeli "self-evident" proposition worked
overtime. The masses of Palestinian demonstrators had
the privilege to be shot at with live ammunition and
earned strong denunciations from the entire Israeli
media.
"What can you do?" as if it were self-evident that
live ammunition be used to end such a struggle, as if
it were obvious that "we are all united" in demanding
those liters of blood.

In exactly the same way, the closure of roads from
Lake Kinneret to the center of the country gave the
right to treat the country's Arab citizens as if they
were children in the heart of the colonial wilderness
of the end of the 19th century, as if we had not seen
the television footage of truck and taxi drivers in
Europe blocking roads on the Continent to the point of
totally paralyzing the economy, without a single shot
being fired. The press and the establishment stood up
for the "policeman of the Arabs," Police Major-General
Alik Ron. In any civilized country he would have been
forced out long ago, if only for his racist statements
about the mayor of Umm al Fahm and head of the
northern branch of the Islamic Movement, Sheikh Ra'ed
Salah: "Sheikh Ra'ed has a fertile, Middle Eastern
imagination."

But one can look for the background to the great
massacre of these terrible Days of Awe in the place
where the great silence of the media and the academic
establishment can always be found: the main thing is
who is governing us when such things occur. If
Benjamin Netanyahu were prime minister now, we would
have already heard cries to the heavens, or at least
some tough questions. This war is being waged by the
government of Prime Minister Ehud Barak, "our"
government, of "the left." And so, for the sake of
peace of course, since after all everything is for the
sake of peace, everything is permitted.

The signal was given and the ground prepared for this
horror after the collapse of the Camp David talks.
Out-and-out "doves" gave interviews and wrote
articles: Yasser Arafat, chairman of the Palestinian
Authority, betrayed them, Heaven forbid. They always
wanted peace, they paid a heavy price for peace, and
now, when the Palestinians could get from them the
best peace that could be given to them (that is,
without quarreling with the settlers, without causing
a "rift within the people," without dissolving the
coalition, without giving up the "dreams of sanctity"
that were born in the five historical minutes that
preceded the negotiations), Arafat - that is,the
Palestinian people - turns his back on them, the
cooing doves, and listens to the yearning of his
hard-pressed people, without water or work, crowded
between bypass roads and sanctified settlements,
because everyone knows that "Beit El is the eyes of
the country," or whatever organ it is the latest trite
metaphor.

How easy it is to beat your breast in contrition this
Yom Kippur, when the fist lands on the chest of your
neighbor, Arafat or Ariel Sharon. And you, your hands
did not spill this blood, your hands did not fire
missiles at demonstrators, your voice did not
denounce.

aic.netgate.net



The failure of Israel's post-Oslo strategy
by Alternative Information Center -Jerusalem- 5:23pm
Tue Oct 10 '00



The failure of Israel's post-Oslo strategy

Amira Hass
Haaretz October 4, 2000

RAMALLAH - Israel's defense establishment is
bombarding Israelis with the learned axiom that
Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is in
full control of his public. The defense establishment
is infected with the virus of contempt for the
Palestinians: In its eyes, the Palestinians are
nothing more than robots, and all Arafat has to do is
to press the right button in order to turn them
off.The Israel Defense Forces is a people's army. And
the Israeli nation, just as was the case on the eve of
the Intifada in 1987, is not listening to what the
Palestinians are trying to say during these violent
days of bloodshed, and what they have been trying to
say for close to seven years - ever since the IDF
withdrew from Palestinian population centers and
entrusted the maintenance of law and order there to
the Palestinian Authority.

No matter what their social position - whether they
are senior leaders who have been pampered with the
privileges extended to them by Israel as they spat
blood in order to ensure that Israel honored yet
another subclause in the Oslo agreement, or whether
they are ordinary citizens for whom the Oslo process
means imprisonment in enclaves of limited home rule
surrounded by IDF outposts and flourishing Jewish
settlements - the Palestinians have been trying to say
that this is not the reward they expected to receive
for maintaining law and order and for playing the role
of national pacifier that was assigned to Arafat. All
of the Palestinians' attempts to explain their
position - petitions, demonstrations, protests,
articles, boycotts, isolated clashes, speeches
delivered overseas, explanations, and warnings of an
outburst of violence - have broken against the high,
solid wall of Israeli unwillingness to understand or
to know the facts. Thus it is easy for Israel to
present the current situation as if what we have here
is a war between two armies - a war in which the
aggressors are, of course, the Palestinians.

Thanks to a convenient case of amnesia, no one is
addressing two basic issues: The behavior of the
Israel Police at the Al Aqsa Mosque on Friday,
September 29, and the precise and deadly fire by IDF
and Israel Police snipers on Friday afternoon and
Saturday.

During opposition leader and Likud chief Ariel
Sharon's visit last Thursday to the site of the Al
Aqsa
mosque, the Israel Police demonstrated great
restraint. Why did the police not continue to
demonstrate understanding for the storm of emotions
that was generated by this visit of someone who, in
the eyes of Palestinians, symbolizes at least four
decades of bloody persecution? The Israel Police,
which is under the ministerial responsibility of a
university history professor, insisted on maintaining
a massive and hostile presence on the plaza of the Al
Aqsa mosque during the Friday prayer services there,
although police spokesmen said intelligence experts
had predicted the situation would remain calm.

Having accumulated much experience in violent clashes,
the Palestinians are convinced that rock-throwing can
be stopped through nonlethal methods. It is quite
possible that, had the police not tried to show in
such an arrogant, aggressive manner who the real boss
is on the Temple Mount, the rocks might not have been
thrown in the first place. The police chose to respond
immediately with a massive hail of metal,
rubber-coated bullets directed toward rock-throwers
behind whom were tens of thousands of worshipers.
The Palestinians are convinced that what was at work
here was a desire for revenge, after the police had
sustained so many injuries the day before.

The Palestinians feel pain - for the men and women who
had come to pray and whose blood was shed on the very
spot that unites all national and religious
sentiments, for the wail of the terrifying sirens of
yet more and more ambulances, for the cries of the
muezzin calling on people to donate blood for the
wounded, for hands armed with rocks. Only those who
are totally indifferent to the pain of others could
possibly argue that there was any planning here.

During the first few hours, the Palestinian police
officers stood on the sidelines. They were tense,
afraid, emotionally dissociated from what was going
on. They did not use their firearms. However, reports
began to pile up concerning the initial number of
persons wounded by IDF bullets. These people suffered
injuries to various parts of their bodies: head, eyes,
chest, abdomen. The Palestinians concluded that those
who caused these wounds took careful aim before firing
and were following "shoot-to-kill" orders handed down
from the top.

The fatal shooting of a young boy, Mohammed al Duri,
whose death was broadcast on television screens
throughout the world, is not the only evidence that
serves to corroborate this conclusion. There are also
the hundreds of injured whose wounds have been hidden
from the eyes of Israeli television audiences. And
this was the point at which Palestinian security
personnel and armed Fatah members could no longer
stand on the sidelines doing nothing.

What were the considerations behind the order to fire
precise shots at the upper parts of the bodies of
Palestinian children and youths? Perhaps the upper
echelons that make such decisions hoped that precise
hits at young Palestinians would deter their peers
from joining in the fight and from expressing their
opinion with rocks and Molotov cocktails. Perhaps they
assumed that this was the only way to prevent these
young people from getting near the Jewish settlements.
Perhaps the Israelis hoped that Arafat would
immediately conclude that they meant business and that
he would instantly dispatch his police officers to
hold back the masses, to carry out arrests and to
disperse - by gunfire if necessary - the crowds who
had gathered to confront the Israeli forces. Perhaps
the Israelis were angry that Arafat had not done from
the outset what he had been expected to do.

International diplomatic pressure might succeed in
bringing about a sort of cease-fire in this barrage of

bullets and rocks. However, the last few days prove
that the strategy Israel has adopted since the signing
of the Oslo agreement has failed. On one hand, this
strategy aimed at developing and perpetuating a new
method of controlling the Palestinians. On the other
hand, it aimed at preparing Arafat and his government
to serve as subcontractors who would suppress any
expression of Palestinian resistance to the
continuation of this control and to a humiliating life
of inequality in this land.

aic.netgate.net



The Future
by rona even 2:53pm Wed Oct 11 '00



"who controls the past, now
who controls the future.
who controls the present, now
who controls the past."
-zack de la rocha / rage against the machine.

The past is beyond our control or common understading;
the future is at hand. Please follow the examples of
AIC contributors in focusing on the future instead of
arguing aimlessly.



10 out of 10
by grez the gezza 6:48am Wed Feb 7 '01



of been on this site for about 4 mins and i find it
very jolly spliffing thankyou for letting me on this
site.graeme





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