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Announcement :: Labor
Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
24 Apr 2005
MAY DAY 2005: CONVERGENCE AGAINST CAPITALISM

Sunday, May 1

No Bosses, No Borders:
Into the Streets for Freedom for Immigrants & All Working People!

On International Workers Day, we call for people of Boston and the greater Northeast to take to the streets in opposition to capitalism. Capitalism is the enemy of the working class, the enemy of the immigrant, the enemy of all freedom loving people. We reject its wars, its governments, its immigration laws, and its exploitation and degradation of all life.

We stand for a world free of bosses and borders. One day we will abolish them and seize control of our own lives, workplaces, and communities. In the meantime, this May Day, we will take back the streets of a city and stand in solidarity with the struggles of immigrant workers. We will make anti-capitalist resistance visible again. We will give new life to the new world that's in our own hearts & the hearts of working people everywhere.

12:30 - Converge at Boston Common at Park St
1:00 - Militant March through Downtown Boston
2:00 - Immigrant Rights Rally at Copley Place
5:00 - Benefit for ABC No Rio at 45 Mount Auburn
11:00 - Reclaim the Streets in Harvard Square

Bring friends and lovers and fellow workers. Bring pots and pans, drums and instruments, songs and banners and flags. Bring creativity and defiance.

History of Struggle

May Day was born in the struggles of workers here in America in 1886, when general strikes broke out across the land and were met with bloody repression - including the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago, followed by the frameup and death sentences of anarchist labor organizers Parsons, Spies, Fischer, Engel, Lingg, Fielden, Schwab and Neebe.

Every year since, workers all over the world have marked May Day with mass mobilizations, work stoppages, and other direct actions. In the place where it all began, the forces of reaction have done all they can to make us forget. Yet we remember with our feet: We remember in the streets.

Boston and eastern Massachusetts has been a historic center of working class resistance to tyranny and exploitation, from the Boston Tea Party to the Bread & Roses Strike to community struggles against segregation, gentrification and corporate invasion.

Join us in the streets of Boston as the Spirit of '76 and '86 rises again!

Called by BAAM. To endorse or otherwise get in touch: maydayboston (at) yahoo.com

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Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
24 Apr 2005
what does militant march mean?
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
24 Apr 2005
Websters
mil·i·tant adj.
1. Fighting or warring.
2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

i'm going to leave "march" up to you... cause now a days thats the one thats open to interpretation.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
24 Apr 2005
I prefer mi-li-tant. And to me a militant march means one based on our inherent freedom to assemble, not on the premise that one needs permission from a corrupt government to demonstrate against it.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
i agree.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
I agree that one does not need permission to assemble and march against a corrupt government. The Cuban government regularly engages in the suppression of the right to assemble and to protest against the government. The Chinese and North Korean governments suppress the right to assemble and protest against the government. The Soviet Union did so as well. Isn't it ironic that we can do these things in a capitalist society but not in a socialist/communist society?
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Whooaaa... that argument makes sense...
'cause I'm 13.

Incidentally, in Europe "militant" means something closer to "dedicated activist" than necessarily violent, warlike, etc.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
those arent the only socialist/communist countries you know.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Considering the organizing group are anarchists, I don't think they would be any less critical about the suppression of free speech and assembly in various so-called "socialist" (re: State Capitalist) countries.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
maybe if Cuba hadn't been the target of terrorism sponsored by the CIA and an economic blockade for the last 50 years they could be a little more permissive of dissent in their ranks. Any repression there is unfortunate but more than understandable. And let's see, America incarcerates more people per capita than any other country in the world, has higher infant mortality and lower literacy than Cuba. It also runs a concentration camp at Guantanamo and we need not mention Abu Ghraib. Hmmmm...
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Ok, so I guess that you're saying that repression is good unless it is done by capitalists. I get it...kinda...sort of...not really.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
"Jim,"
"person" might be saying that but "hammy," "noah," and "well" sure weren't. But I guess you genius conservatives have developed "selective reading skills" to preserve your worldview, in which everyone opposed to the capitalist class' domination of workers is for a state that, dominates its constituent citizenry. Anarchism and other forms of libertarian socialism just don't really fall on either side of that dichotomy, do they? Weird huh? Too bad they're the most vital sector of the radical left these days...
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
"state that dominates its constituent citizenry."

(The comma was a typo, not a grammatical error...)
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
I didn't say repression was OK, I said it was understandable specifically in the case of Cuba. We are all free to criticize Castro and Co., but we should hold the U.S. to the same standards. When we do, we find that for all its faults, the Cuban government does better for its people with what it has than the U.S. does for its people. Much of our standard of living has to do with the overvalued dollar, a fact brought about by our military domination of the world and oil markets in particular. Even with that immoral advantage, more of our citizens are illiterate and lacking basic health care than people in Cuba. On top of everything we bully the rest of the world into not trading with Cuba--how big of us! Don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian at heart, but I think that repression everywhere has more to do with capitalism's dog-eat-dog, our way or the highway, take no prisoners mentality than with the insistence of leftist's in protecting the people from that kind of exploitation... Fidel himself has argued that the days of armed rebellion are over, that what is needed now is a movement of conscience for progress toward a more just world, one which he must be lauded for providing an example of, however imperfectly he has been allowed to see it through by those to whom any such progress is anathema, since it denies their privileged classes the backs of the poor to ride on.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
If the US "dominates" the world oil market, where is my 37 cent premium? Cuba (and Russia and China) have very low recidivism rates, unlike the US. Of course, if we treated criminals the way they do there, we'd have the same rates (and a lot of dead/disappeared criminals) to show for it.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Grady: Whatever my world view may or may not be, the subject of my post was simply this: It is ironic that you are free to march against capitalism in a capitalist society, but you are not free to march against communism in a communist society. This is a plain and simple fact that neither you, nor anyone else has denied.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Your 37 cent premium comes from the fact that because people around the world need to buy dollars in order to buy oil, your otherwise pretty worthless dollars can actually buy you quite a bit of stuff made by Chinese slave-wage labor. And your cut and paste rhetoric about Cuba's prisoners is not all that convincing, frankly.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Sid, we don't need to deny it, because the fact is that repression in a capitalist society is much more subtle and insidious, which gives a lot of people the false impression that they're free. What they don't seem to be aware of is the fact that we are currently free, for example, to not have basic healthcare if we're poor, to work longer hours for less pay than we used to, to have our earnings taxed in order to wreak destruction around the world, to be imprisoned for deciding to put certain chemicals, though not others, in our bodies, to subsidize with our taxes a pharmaceutical industry that turns around and gouges people on medicine prices to make themselves the most profitable industry in the country, to license at no cost the use of our public airwaves and digital spectrum to a handful of multinational corporations that then charge our politicians hundreds of millions of dollars to air commercials, while denying certain people the right to buy ads at all, and to get ripped off by people like Ken Lay whose company created artificial shortages to cheat people with high prices for electricity--need I go on? I could and you well know it!
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Castro was not originally a Marxist--he simply fought against a tyrant who was very unpopular and brutal. When the U.S. shunned him after he made overtures to re-establish good relations, he started on a path of nationalizing key industries, for which "crime" the U.S. decided to punish the Cuban people with an economic blockade. That's when, with little other choice, he turned to the Soviet Union which was not to him an ideal solution but better than the alternative. The simple fact is that anything he's guilty of the U.S. and its leaders have been guilty of the same, manifold. The difference is that his "crimes" have been committed in the name of social justice, while those of the U.S. have been committed in the interest of profit for the few at the expense of the many. There just is no comparison. Cubans have many more reasons to be proud of Castro than we do to be proud of Bush or any of his predecessors.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
"The simple fact is that anything he's guilty of the U.S. and its leaders have been guilty of the same, manifold."

torturing and deporting gays? hmm

I have sympathies for the Cuban revolution but none for the top. I know this sounds kind of knee-jerk but Frank Fernandez' "Cuban Anarchism: The History Of A Movement" really helped clear my head on the fact that no, Castro isn't anything close to the One Okay Dictator.

That said, I do think that anarchists and other progressives should be working to build/sustain relations with our would-be counterparts in Cuba, because when Castro kicks the bucket you bet your life the US will be engineering a glorious, media-conscious "orange-revolution" style capitalist revolution there to start Cuba on its path to reintegration as one of our colonies in the hemisphere. (If they don't just up and invade the island for the fun of it.)

But anyway, why were we talking about Cuba? This is about May Day right here in the US where it came from!
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Hey does it bother anyone else that this is going on at the same time as the walk for hunger? I know its sponsered by Raytheon and all but wouldn't it look better and be more productive for the radical community if we showed up at an event where the community was working together to make change instead of running around boston being "militant" and scaring people away. Besides how rad would a drum noise brigade be at the walk for hunger?
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
You raise some good points Sammy, though the fact is we have tortured and deported our share of people, whether gay or not, and it's just as bad regardless of the reason you give for doing it. That said, I would just reiterate that my purpose is not to paint Castro as a saint or as the one okay dictator or anything of the sort. His revolution has been flawed, no doubt. All armed struggles tend to be. And Castro eventually learned that lesson. The lesson is that in order to bring into being the kind of world we want, where no one is free to exploit anyone else, we have to transform human consciousness, which cannot be done through armed struggle. In a world though, where even suggesting that redistribution of (usually ill-gotten) land or property leads to an attack by the global capitalists, whether through economic warfare, assassination, or manufactured coups, there seems little hope for justice ever to win out. I see Castro as somewhere between the worst of the good guys or the best of the bad guys. There are so many worse people though, that it is sickening to me to see how much attention is focused on his crimes as opposed to the crimes of people like Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Ariel Sharon, etc. etc., who unlike Castro, NEVER acted with justice in mind.
for a corporate-sponsored may day? what the fuck?
25 Apr 2005
That's cute, Mikey, but no. Go look up the origins of May Day and then try telling us we should be "walking for hunger" instead. It is not the place of the radical community to go around giving up our own days of action and helping out corporate-sponsored events with our presence. Never has been. Never will be.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Hey no need to be rude. I wasn't advocating silently taking part and putting up with all the corporate sponsored bullshit. I'm saying that there's a whole bunch of people who are going to be there who, corporate sponsorship or not, are going to be more sympathetic to our cause then a bunch of shoppers and buisnessmen. It's a little late to plan for this year but we could totally go and educate people about how the system that runs the event is the same system that creates hunger. Its about winning hearts and building community.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Person said" You raise some good points Sammy, though the fact is we have tortured and deported our share of people, whether gay or not"
Assuming that Person is correct that we have tortored and deported people. This does not justify Castro and other communist countries from doing the same. It is sort of strange that anarchists would march on the communist holiday of May Day given that every communist government has tortured, imprisoned, and executed anarchists.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
"It is sort of strange that anarchists would march on the communist holiday of May Day [...] "

May Day became a holiday to honor Chicago ANARCHIST labor organizers who were arrested, framed, tried and executed during the struggle for the 40-hour work week. It has always been a WORKERS' holiday. Hence communists, anarchists, social democrats, the union movement, and everyday workers who fight for their wages and workplace rights recognize it as a holiday. Nothing's "sort of strange" here except people who feel compelled to talk out of their asses and make complete ignorant fools of themselves while trying to prove a "point."
PLEASE RESPECT EACH OTHER!!!!
25 Apr 2005
Can we all do our best to please stop being rude-ass little babies. I know if y'all were actually in a room together instead of on a computer you'd address what people have to say instead of making snide personal attacks.
MAY DAY Leaflet
25 Apr 2005
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Leaflet for Mayday events
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
25 Apr 2005
Every day is a holiday when you are unemployed. Capitalism sucks but it does provide jobs.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
"Capitalism sucks but it does provide jobs."

So did slavery.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
Don't let it get you down Mikey. Keep in mind that a lot of the acrimony is artificially inseminated by trolls. You're on the right track with the walk of hunger idea--we certainly need to seek out gatherings of well-meaning but uninformed fellow citizens and reach out to them. The bottom line is don't look for validation or consensus here. A good anarchist knows when to play well with others and when to take individual action. Also, to those trying to sow dissent among anarchists and communists, don't think for a second that you will distract anyone from the fact that right now, the global capitalist system is our target, and we need not love or ally with one another any longer than it takes to bring down that system.
ratings system
26 Apr 2005
boston imc needs one. or some way of dealing with trolls and this kind of bullshit.
In defense (sort of) of trolls
26 Apr 2005
Rating systems are tricky, but certainly worth experimenting with. The thing with the trolls is that they're everywhere, not just online. It's not a bad thing for people to see the kind of crap they post, and develop good responses--it's also a way of keeping tabs on where the opposition is coming from. It's not that hard to scroll down a list like this and find the comments that are worth reading, after all. Censorship of any kind is a Pandora's box, which is why I also make a point of checking out the hidden posts to see what exactly is being kept from our virgin eyes... :)
dear person
26 Apr 2005
You still haven't told me where my 37 cent premium gas is. As to what goes on in places such as Cuba, China, and the former countries of the Eastern Bloc, it's not rhetoric if it's true. There is very little street crime in these places because the punishments are so draconian that most won't take the chance. If you don't believe it, go to one of these countries and commit some crimes. You'll quickly find out that it is not tolarated. I've been there and have seen it in person.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
On Trolls: I have noticed that many of the self proclaimed anarchists, progressives, liberals, communists, and left of centrists who post to this site dismiss those with whom they disagree as "trolls." Making a provocative, rightist, or statement wich is somehow contrary to the "correct" thinking of this site does not make one a troll. On the contrary, the trolls are those who use profanity or insults in response to those posts. One of the consequences of having a radical public access site like this on the web is that those of us who are not radical have a chance to respond to those of you who are. Why should we simply allow you to make statements that are unchallenged. If the site were password protected and only members could post, it would be a different story. However, the case is that it is a public access website and therefore contrary opinions are a fact of life. Calling those with contrary opinions trolls is dismissive and demonstrates the lack of a thoughtful response.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
"You still haven't told me where my 37 cent premium gas is"

Actually Beagle I did, but you don't seem to have understood it. I'll quickly recap. Oil is traded in dollars. To buy oil, you have to buy dollars. This means the value of dollars is artificially inflated, and you most certainly benefit from that, because you pay less than you otherwise would for your Y-fronts, etc. When Saddam threatened to sell his oil for Euros, he was toppled by our military shortly thereafter. Iran is now proposing a Euro-based exchange, and so all manner of pretexts are being sought for another war, except that won't work because Americans aren't stupid enough to keep enlisting in these fool's errands. As for crime and punishment, read Dostoevsky. I live in the U.S., and that's where I'll focus my criticism. If you want to sit there and deny that the U.S. has committed more crimes against humanity than Cuba (Native American genocide, African slavery, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, arming Saddam, assassinating democratically elected leaders in several countries, etc.) then go ahead--the whole world knows it's true, more and more Americans are accepting it, and you can post pointless comments until you're blue in the fingers and it won't save your sinking ship. :)
ratings system
26 Apr 2005
We would like to set up a ratings system, but we can't do it with the system we're using to maintain the site right now. We're planning a transition to a new system, which will allow us to set a up a rating system. As for when the transition will happen, that depends on how much free time our tech volunteers have, which is not a whole lot right now.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
Dear person,
while I appreciate the support I disagree with the end of what you said. Once we bring down capitalism it is even more important to have community, love, and look out for on another. Otherwise we'll never survive. Capitalism divides us into consumers, numbers, and wealth. We need to be comrades, friends, and lovers.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
Mikey is correct. Once Capitalism is defeated, we must prepare for the dog eat dog eat cat world of the Natural State. Darwin here we come!!!!
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
26 Apr 2005
Cool! The Natural State sounds like fun!!
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
27 Apr 2005
I would say...(as the anarchist and even some of the POM knew during the Spanish revolution)...that it is not just about bringing down capitalism...since it is very possible that something worse could arise from the ashes if we are not careful...this is why we must create our own structures and instantiations now that embody are anarcho-values and will sustain and grow with us as capitalism falls...I personally don’t think there will be a "day after" but rather it will be a process of replacing the oppressive virtual structures as we go. So props to those who have expressed similar things in this thread...not sure about the "walk for paternal charity and weapons of death" idea though it is true that those are the people we need to be talking to and spreading our ideas with...and again positive horizontal non-centralized structures are (I think) more powerful than words can ever be.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
27 Apr 2005
What is so oppressive about capitalism? It apparently has not oppressed anybody posting to this site.
Person
27 Apr 2005
Would you please cite to the economists that espouse this dollar vs. euro theory. In regards to US' past transgressions (Native Americans, slavery) no country or society in the world is/has been immune from such criticism. In regards to Hiroshima/Nagasaki, I think you need to understand the time and the stage at which we were at war with Japan. My father was a commando in WWII and was preparing to invade Tokyo bay. In his words, we were far from winnin g the war at that point, and that invading Japan would have led to the massacre of Americans and Japanese at a level never seen before (even in comparison to Stalingrad). In regards to Vietnam, I suggest you read up and try to understand the conflict in terms of the overall US-USSR conflict. As to the effects of war, I have two family members who are combat Vietnam vets, along with numerous friends and associates who are also vets from vietnam. Finally, in regards to the "Sinking Ship", I've heard that RHETORIC since my collegiate days a long time ago at a very liberal institution not very far away. If the ship is sinking, it is the slowest sinking in the history of (wo)man.
Re: Next Sunday! May Day Convergence Against Capitalism!
27 Apr 2005
on the petrodollar:

http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/oweissi/petrod/define.htm

Of course that's just a bsic intro. To learn all the implications you'd have to do a bit more research but that's what search engines are for.

"In regards to US' past transgressions (Native Americans, slavery) no country or society in the world is/has been immune from such criticism."

Umm, that's just wrong. Are you really suggesting that all the world's societies have been guilty of genocide and slavery? Or are you saying that the scale of America's crimes is not huge given our size and time of existence?

On World War 2 and Vietnam I'll assume that your judgement is clouoded by the fact that you have family that were directly involved. It's up to you what you think of them, in fact I don't place much blame on any one individual. To allow that bias to impair your judgement on the appropriateness of the mass destruction of civilian targets is lamentable, though.