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Announcement :: Politics
7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
19 Jul 2005
Every Fourth Sunday of the month (starting July 24th) at the Lucy Parsons
Center (in the front), there will be an open anarchist/
anti-authoritarian/ autonomist study group from 6:30pm to 8:30pm.
The goal is to open up dialogues on internal issues, theorectical analysis
and historical lessons within anarchist/ anti-authoritarian/ autonomist
organizing in order to challenge ourselves, reflect on our ourganizing,
come to an understanding of each other, develop our strategies and tactics
and reintegrate what we learn into our lives and organizing. This is open
to anyone; but people with agendas to disrupt or dominate (or who do so by
their attitude and actions) are NOT WELCOME.

The first meeting will be Sunday, July 24th. Please come having read and
thought about the topic; though you don't have to talk if you don't feel
comfortable... but, if there's anything we can do to make you feel
comfortable, let us know :-).

The July 24th readings will be on issues of patriarchy. The articles will
be available for in-store reading at the Lucy Parsons Center and online.
These are the readings with online links:

Too Angry... For What?
by Kirsten Anderberg
http://users.resist.ca/%7Ekirstena/pagetooangryforwhat.html

By Any Means Necessary
by Anonymous
http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/commentary4.html

Going Places that Scare Me: Personal reflections on challenging male
supremacy
by Chriss Crass
http://www.clevelandmas.org/going_to_places_that.html

Breaking the Ice: Anarchist Men and Sexism in the Movement
by Ernesto Aguilar
http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/writings_on_anarchism/breaking_th.
html

Socialism, Anarchism and Feminism
By Carol Ehrlich
http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/CarolEhrlich.htm

Anarcha-Feminism: Thinking about Anarchism
by Deirdre Hogan
http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/AnarchaFeminismThinkingaboutAnarchism

How this will all function:

Topics, readings, short presentations, movies or whatever will be chosen
at a meeting in advance. The next month's topic will be ready at the end
of the current meeting and we will choose who chooses the topic after that
(For example, our August reading will be chosen and told to everyone at
the end of the July meeting and someone will be chosen at the July meeting
to choose the September reading etc. to have it ready by the August
meeting... confusing? It'll make more sense once we do it) . The choosing
of the readings/ topics will be rotated among the people who show up at
the meetings. Preference for who gets to choose a topic will be voluntary
and go to 1st) People who show up consistently and who haven't gotten a
chance to choos a topic and 2nd) To people group together to share
choosing a topic.

We will try to use the popcorn style of facilitation: the last person who
spoke chooses the next person volunteering to speak with a consciousness
of giving preference to people who haven't gotten a chance to speak.
Abuses of this facilitation style (back and forths, same circles, sexism,
racism, ageism, etc.) will not be tolerated and will be called out by
anyone in the group.

Also, in order to ensure that the discussion is in the context of an
anti-oppressive atmosphere, we will have time at the end each meeting to
do a go around to check-in on meeting dynamics to see what we did well and
what we might want to work on or think about for next time to make sure
our discussions go smoothly.

Hope to see you all there.

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Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
20 Jul 2005
I've never heard of the popcorn style of consensus. When can I find out more? It sounds really cool.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
20 Jul 2005
Ted, I'm glad that you're into the popcorn style of facilitation. There's nothing much too it beyond the instructions above. You should give it a try at your next meeting. Best of luck with it.
process structure content
20 Jul 2005
"how this will all function"
isnt the discussion process of last speaker choses next speaker called 'round robin'. and when who ever 'bursts' with some thing to say first, they speak next called "popcorn". the posts also mentions a third process of "go around" the circle for the groups end of meeting analysis.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
"round robin" usually refers to going around in a circle so everyone speaks exactly once. i'm pretty sure the speaker selecting the next speaker isn't what's usually refered to as popcorn, but a quick internet search on popcorn comes up with some pretty conflicting stuff.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
"This is open to anyone; but people with agendas to disrupt or dominate (or who do so by
their attitude and actions) are NOT WELCOME."

Well, it's good to know beforehand that this is not an open meeting where people's individual aptitudes or opinions will be welcome or tolerated.

It saves me the time to take the T over to the meeting, and find out all too late that these anarchist researchers have laid down a web of complicated rules, regulations and restrictions, barring anyone but the hosts from voicing a very low fidelity opinion.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
I assume this means I would be thrown out of this meeting by the others if I went there and was my usual enlightened and bossy self? Or would you call the police to have me thrown out of an anarchist meeting? That's ironic.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
Says nothing about people who disagree. I would assume folks of all viewpoints are welcome. Simply says that if you're not their discuss, rather to disrupt it intentionally, then please don't come.

The trolls on here get stupider and stupider. They used to point out real contradictions in what people said, now its just knee-jerk nonsense.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
They never distinguish between what constitutes disruption. Usually disagreement or persuasion is considered to be disruption. Really only the most ineffectual people are allowed to speak at these gatherings.

I can think of several locals whose presence would be met with a shitstorm of objections if they showed up to freely speak their mind.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
Come on guys. If you read it, its pretty easy to figure out. If you want to go because you want to participate in the discussion on patriarchy, you are welcome. If you want to go to disrupt the discussion, you are not. Just like in all other aspects of life: if you are being a jerk, you can expect other people to react negatively to you.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pmC
21 Jul 2005
I can assure you that's not the case. Political conciousness can't be achieved further by a bunch of a yes men who all agree. Disruption is groups like the Sparts who come in and pull the fire alarm, or other activities external to the discussion that attempt to prevent it.

I would expect though that if you come not to discuss respectfully, but rather to just attack, bait and play "what if" you wouldn't be welcome. Again though, the issue isn't your ideas but your actions.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
Why do people even feel like they need to defend themselves here? If someone is being a jerk and disruptive at your meeting, kick 'em out. No need to explain yourselves to the liberals who expect you to be a doormat for every disruptive asshole with a political agenda.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
See y'all there.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
I suspect the people complaining about the no disruptive individuals rule aren't liberals, but either right-wing trolls or sectarian Leninists. In either case, it's pointless to argue with them.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
21 Jul 2005
It seems to me that anarchism is a political agenda. If you are out to destroy politics and political agendas as such, then you are defacto person with a political agenda. You can't pick a fight against a universal primary. No anarchist is beyond the frame of materialism.

Someone said that this will be about smashing patriarchy. Feminism is a political agenda too. Who gets to decide which political agenda is disruptive and which is accepted?

I would guess that it would be the same person who railroads everyone elses' politics or opinions into the Fascist/Communist antinomy. One person here in particular is a hardcore communist.

I would say at a meeting that being a hardcore communist is incompatible with being an anarchist. Would MaRK agree?
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
"I would say at a meeting that being a hardcore communist is incompatible with being an anarchist. Would MaRK agree?"

I dunno, I consider myself a "hardcore communist" and an anarchist. I don't really see any contradiction there. Regardless, this is like arguing with grade schoolers. Yes, anarchists have a political agenda. It's called anarchism. Considering this study group is being organized by anarchists to discuss various aspects of anarchism I think it is a safe bet that no one is going to have much of an issue with anyone who has an "anarchist political agenda" so long as they are respectful of the other participants and don't dominate the discussion. The issue is obviously with people who have political agendas that represent the antithesis of anarchism who show up to such events to be disruptive or try at some crude attempts at recruitment. This is completely disrespectful, not to mention counter-productive to the goals set out by the group (to study and discuss writings with anarchists and interested sympathizers), and I think they would be well within reason to freely disassociate themselves from such people and deal with them accordingly. I don't think there is anything all that difficult in determining who is being disruptive or provocative. It doesn't take rocket science to poll the room.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
onh yeah big surprise...... NEFAC sets up "study group" at their book store (re-education center in the waiting) and instantly backs it up by policing who gets to be in it... "DEAL WITH THEM ACCORDINGLY", black flags, brown shirts, little red books... leave their boring as fuck politics behind, i'll meet you in the WILD
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
what? in the WILD? you have internet access in the wilderness? i thought electricity destroyed the environment.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
If your so "wild" why do you spend time trolling online smartass. The folks who set up the study group have nothing to do with NEFAC. The LPC was kind enough to donate space.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
Yeah OK, if they're so different how much rent does NEFAC pay to the LPC for their office?
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
Sounds like a personal grudge, and i'm glad you will not be attending.

these articles to be discussed are of some real important content, not to mention they're really fucking good.

i thank the crew and the lpc for holding a discussion group on anarchist theory.

we can complain and complain about who's doing what meanwhile not taking part, nor taking part in helping to further the goal. personally, i think that's another reason the suggestion was to stay away.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
23 Jul 2005
Actually no one from NEFAC has anything to do with this study group.
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
24 Jul 2005
Does anyone know if there will be any identity caucusing?
Re: 7/24 Anarchist Study Group 6:30pm
25 Jul 2005
"GREEN AND BLACK" sounds like a provocatuer looking to stir things up between the red and green anarchists in this town. Don't take the bait. Good luck with the study group. .