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Chance vs Cybergoons at The Connection
14 Jan 2002
During the interim the cattle deposited as collateral continued to breed, and the newborn cattle became basic “interest” claimed unilaterally by the landlord and appropriated exclusively to his own account.

Reply to "G.R. Quinn" in Politics forum - Council of Economic Advisors:

Please masterbate in your own mental environment, Goon Recruit Quinn. Unless you become more informed, this is the last time I'll reply to your dumb remarks:

I've read some Marx (have you?) and post-Marxian theory. I'm not a Marxist, but understand the value of some of his analysis, just as I understand the value of some of Adam Smith's theory.

I gained most of my knowledge from direct experience as an inventor, an entrepreneur, a speculator and a wage-slave, not so much from books and almost none from academic "education".

As with many economists, both Marx and Smith contributed value to society's understanding of itself. But both also made some erroneous assumptions clarified by economists such as David Korten and Buckminster Fuller.

REAL economists understand NATURAL RESOURCES and INFORMATION as the foundation of wealth.

You can eat gold or Federal Reserve notes if you want. But their nutritional value is minimal. And neither are efficient materials for building shelter, transportation, energy-harvesting devices or most other essentials.

Marx was not unemployed, but exploited by his advisaries, somewhat like Hitler who was financed by Anglo-American bankers, including Prescott Bush (war is good business if you're super-rich and don't care about the future).

I'm not unemployed, but over-worked and under-paid. I already work as a volunteer public servant. Acting as a Congressman will give my work an "official" stamp of approval (a dubious distinction). It will also provide a nifty soapbox and a six-digit income that I'll personally reinvest in sustainable public infrastructure.

If our republic is to survive and flourish, many more citizens must actively participate on a daily basis, as they do in the Swiss Confederation and Mondragon.

Lawyer/liars and banksters do not represent most citizens. Citizens must represent themselves.

Why aren't YOU running for Congress?

Finally, if I bought any home or car, both would certainly be powered by renewable energy.

Thanks for attempting to divert our attention from the subject, Goon Squad Leader. Now let's return to exploring and understanding macro-economic reality.

It seems no one is willing to challenge Bucky Fuller's analysis so far, so...


In order for a world-around democracy to prosper, world society must learn how to prosper; world society must learn how all this came about.

We discover that, historically, the exclusively agricultural accounting system now being ineptly applied to word industrialization began with a sovereign’s claim to the lands established by his conquering “deeds or arms.”

Public recognition of the claims was secured by the sovereign’s continued and ever-increasing armed might.

The sovereign of his or her assignees then issued paper deeds to great lands to pay for the armed deeds of their comrades-in-arms who became the lords of all the conquered lands other than the king’s.

This landlordism, or land ownership, was originally dispensed from deeds of war.

Then the great landlords loaned or sold parcels of their lands to share-cropping farmers who had to pay the landlord a tithe, or rent, and “interest” out of the wealth produced by nature within which to store the grains collected in the basket (fiscus is Latin for basket; thus the fiscal year is that which winds up within the basketed measuring the net grains harvested).

The real pay-off, or course, was in regenerative metabolic increments of the botanical photosynthetic impoundment of Sun radiation and hydrocarbon molecules’ structuring and proliferation through hydrogenic and biological inter-accommodations.

Obviously none of this natural, wealth-regenerating and multiplying process was accreditable to the landlords.


Yet the sovereigns and landlords imposed themselves by force into the metabolic wealth-harvesting and sharing equation even earlier in history.

Nomadic tribal herders – after wandering the seemingly infinite wilderness for millions of years, as their semi-domesticated cattle led them to verdant pastures – found the once free, open land being gradually claimed, proclaimed, and patrolled by the most powerful armed war lords, who suggested that the herder needed “protection” for their defenseless flocks and herds, which were tantalizingly stealable wealth.

The roving, sword-brandishing strongmen imposed their “protection” on all comers within their realms and battled with other strongmen to increase their respective territories.

Finally, the herders were forced to “buy” the lands they roam from the lords who sold the herders their “own” special ranches.

The ranches were sold at prices far beyond the herders’ total savings in skins or total livestock value, so the landlords “loaned” the herder the down-payment purchasing price to acquire the ranch while the lord took back, and held as collateral a number of heads of the herders’ cattle.

From collateral, the lord took as “payment in kind” both the annual reduction in total purchase price and – to cover “interest” – the young cattle bred seasonally. The word capital (capita in Latin, originally referring to heads of cattle) was thus derived.

The herder hopefully earned (i.e. bred) enough additional heads of cattle eventually to pay off the landlord in kind.

In later millenniums the herder could sell his cattle in exchange for the landlord’s inanimate, non-herding money in the form of coins and thus repay the landlord or traffic in other goods, all of which had fallen prey to the landlord’s “protection.”

During the interim the cattle deposited as collateral continued to breed, and the newborn cattle became basic “interest” claimed unilaterally by the landlord and appropriated exclusively to his own account.

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