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Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
SacBee: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
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February 16, 2006

Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 06:11:27 AM PDT
The Sacramento Bee today reports that in at least one case, the minor child of a prisoner was abused to get his father to talk, according to testimony provided to the House Government Reform subcommittee.


[Spc. Samuel] Provance made a new allegation about the Abu Ghraib controversy, saying that U.S. forces had captured the 16-year-old son of an Iraqi general under Saddam Hussein, Hamid Zabar, to pressure the general into providing information.

"I was extremely uncomfortable about the way General Zabar had been treated, but particularly the fact that his son had been captured and used in this way," Provance said. "It struck me as morally reprehensible, and I could not understand why our command was doing it."



According to the respected Austrian paper Der Standard, Zabar's son was hosed down with ice water and locked into a cell block with another prisoner notorious for raping fellow inmates. At this point, it is not known whether the minor was actually raped. Apparently the tactic backfired, as General Zabar was "so devastated that he was incapable of giving further testimony".

Please note that these are allegations made in the foreign press not yet confirmed domestically. I will update if an English language source for these additional allegations becomes available.

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Re: Children raped at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
It only goes on to strengten the world's belief that Iraq under president Bush and P M Tony Blair is no different from Iraq under Saddam Hussain . At least there was a lot of less butchering of innocent general public in Saddams reign. What point has been proven....where are the weapons of mass destruction...nuclear arsenal....world threat....support to terrorism....the presentations made by U S in the U N.....where are they...So why this War...Why any War at all...Just to settle personal differences.....modern day dacoities....in the guise of world peace....Well the world is not that stupid...they are just a bit weak
Re: Children raped at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
The title of this article is ridiculous. Although, in the article itself, it states that it is not known if the minor (singular) was actually raped and there were no facts or comments presented that children (plural) were raped shows the outlandish ways people will go to get somebody to read something. I think the writer should apologize for the vile untruths presented and linking them to Americans.
Re: Children raped at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
america preaching human right to others but not to them former president saddam hussain is facing trial for his socalled human right abuses and atrocities if saddam is responsible for that us president is acountable for this human right abuse and torture
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
I think stories like this do more harm to our country and fuel the terrorist propaganda and if a forign press printed this it does not even come close to proving it is true
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
To the author of this article I would like to say, "The title of your article is pure fiction - if you don't know the difference between fact and fiction, you should keep your comments to yourself."
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
icant under stand why mr Bush giving this order to amrican army to do this . idont under stand
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
Comparing saddam and Bush in the same sentence is like comparing Hitler and Eisenhower. President Bush never had his own populace gassed or commited genocide in the name of Islam.

The victims of 911 were more in number than those in the Attack on Pearl Harbor. We decimated a country with two nuclear bombs in retaliation. And we were at war. Those at the Pentagon and the World Trade Center and those in the planes were NON combatants. Innocent civilians lost there lives in the name of Islam. Or more precisly in the name of terrorist extremeism Islam.

Articules such as this one are nothing more than a "journalist" trying to sell papers and enflame even more anti American sentiment.
who should be raped?
17 Feb 2006
hippie chicks!

pull their panties down, bend them over and fuck 'em in their assholes!
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
free speech does not allow threat posted by cartman. if billions are spent to investigate people like him , this is a good opportunity.
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
CSR Saddams regime was bad, but it was secular and in never killed people in the name of islam. That is a major difference between bush and saddam, one is a religious fanatic and one is a secularist who believes in seperation of church and state. It is funny how we are the ones going to war in religions name. Bush actually used the word crusade.

The kurds were not saddams own people, that is like saying Jefferson killed his own people when he massacured native americans. Also, what does Iraq and abu ghraib have to do with 9/11?
The more the evidence grows, the more irrational the response of Bush's useful idiots.
17 Feb 2006
Post by CARTMAN is a perfect example. Pile on the denial guys, just like Hitler's useful idiots did. Ignore the evidence. Let the crimes against humanity pile higher and higher. When the regime falls and the pigs are jailed, you can appear on interviews feigning ignorance of what had been going on just under your noses.
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
It has to be a specific individual to be a threat.
Cops post and share their expertise with us.
17 Feb 2006
Thanks cop, for filling us in on threats. No fuck yourself!
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
Sorry, I was off my meds. Can I have a hug?
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
17 Feb 2006
"allegations...maybe....unverified........not yet confirmed........

Anybody getting the drift here? Bunch of sniveling idiots
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
18 Feb 2006
* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City, killing thousands. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage huh.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage huh.
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage huh.
BACK TO THE FUTURE
18 Feb 2006
On Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, The Black Community Information Center of Boston held a press conference. The purpose of the press conference was to release copies of dramatic photos of members of the US Military, gang raping innocent Iraqi women in Iraq. The Boston Globe reported on the event, where Councilman Chuck Turner declared: “The American people have a right and responsibility to see the pictures.” The images, depicting men in camouflage uniforms having sex with unidentified women, bore no characteristics that would prove the men were US soldiers or that the women were Iraqis. There was nothing apparent in the images showing they were taken in Iraq. Yet, they were widely believed by the hate America crowd and the Boston Globe, to be true. As it turns out, the photos were fake. They were taken from pornographic websites and disseminated by anti-American propagandists. Most of the photos were taken from the American pornographic website “Iraq Babes,” and the Hungarian site, “Sex in War.” which was linked to by the American site. The Globe’s original story on the porn photos reported that Turner received the photographs by e-mail from Akbar Muhammad, a representative for the Nation of Islam.” This is roughly the equivalent of a newspaper reporting on a showing of anti-American propaganda by David Duke, which Duke says he got from the Ku Klux Klan. These "reports from Abu Ghraib" are of the same quality. They are extremist hate mongering by those of you who hate the country in which you live. Why do you stay here? Oh yes, you enjoy the benefits and quality of life that a capitalist society provides.
Re: Innocent minors abused at Abu Ghraib
20 Feb 2006
"Black Community Information Center of Boston"

That's a funny racket. But have you heard of this one from Emerson College? If you pay them a couple hundred bucks, they will sell you a ghetto pass to speak on race issues. The ghetto pass is called "racial issues discussion facilitator". hahahahahaha!

Also, there are some black dudes hustling down on Winter St. in Boston conning dumb white kids out of money in order to "facilitate racial understanding between black and white folks." They claim to be out of Central Square, but all I find at the claimed address is Gary Dotterman's Skool.