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protest inauguration of who ever gets elected
05 Oct 2000
CALL TO PROTEST INAUGURATION OF CORPORATE PUPPET
I think a direct action to the inauguration of Al or George is in order, I'm sure someone is thinking about this already..... but if all protestors from around the country could be there it would send a message all accross the board and scare the piss out of the viewing audience at large, er home...
write me or anyone else to generate some ideas to get this ball rolling
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question
05 Oct 2000
I really like this idea you have...i would like to be posted on when and where these events will be taking place.so if someone could keep me informed about it...i would be greatly appreciative..thanks!

~Jesse Scott
MILLION PEOPLES MARCH FOR JUSTICE IN DC INAUG
05 Oct 2000
If you care to throw out some ideas maybe we could generate some interest.
My first idea is for a website.
Biggest concern is that all the hardcore protestors aren't going to want to come b/c of all the hassles.
Maybe somekind of million people march to washington or what have you...
permits will be needed, etc. maybe DAN would be into it??? or ruckus???
Taking it to the streets
05 Oct 2000
Hey, how about this. I get even more people than you can and my group surrounds your group and won't let you protest. But of course my group will be non violent. So my question is will you call the police my to break up my non violent direct action against your group.

Is this what democracy looks like?
what is that?
05 Oct 2000
All I'm saying is have a march with informative ideas and non-violent peaceful demonstration, what is this your group my group thing?
I think calling attention to all sorts of issues at the inauguration would help to bring many concerns and issues to the center stage of a bogus ill-gotten presidency.
Direct Action
05 Oct 2000
Direct Action is just a way for a self-appointed group to deny another group that they don't agree with, their rights.

If my group is bigger (and this is hypothetical, if you haven’t guessed) than I can use direct action to prevent you from using direct action. If the Steelworkers for Gore wanted to take it to the streets to non violently prevent you from protesting or using direct action to prevent an even smaller (or more tolerant) group from exercising their rights.

What should the police do about a nonviolent group blocking an abortion clinic. To respond in any way would be an escalation, right. So do nothing? Let them close the clinic? How about when the fascists try to non violently close the IMC. If there are more of them, than they win. Is that what democracy looks like? I don’t think so.

These “direct action” campaigns that block streets and trash police cars are non democratic, politically ineffective, logically dishonest and just plain ugly.

But for bored rich white kids, it must be great excitement.


riiight...
05 Oct 2000
Yup, direct action does nothing...
Just look at Yugoslavia today. Surely those people occupying government buildings are accomplishing absolutely nothing.

The Russians who stood before tanks in 1991 did nothing at all either I guess?



If you have forgotten, America was founded on revolution. So was Haiti, Mexico, Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, etc. etc. etc.

Sometimes rich(I think more middle class) white kids get things going. Furhtermore, to initiate this arguement again, property damage gets attention. Without attention, the corporate media will bury you. What was that "shot heard around the world..."?
Direct Action and Nader?
05 Oct 2000
The Wobblies have been saying "Direct Action Gets the Goods" for almost a century now.
But what exactly is direct action?

"Direct Action" doesn't mean standing around chanting,
blockades or even fighting cops. The level of confrontation is not what
makes something "direct action".

Direct Action means acting without intermediaries. If the goal is "Get
Ralph Nader into the debates", then you do just that... you walk in and
set him up with a podium and a microphone.

Writting letters to the corporate controlled commission on presidental
debates isn't direct action.

Ofcourse, generally speaking, almost anything involving electoral
represenative politics isn't direct action. You are electing someone to
act for you, that is not acting for yourselves. It's pretty questionable
to call protests to get Nader into the debates "Direct Action". It's
indirect, it's symbolic, it's an appeal to the powerful, and it's in the
context of disempowering electoral process. It _is_ activism. It _is_
protest. It _can_ contain civil disobedience. Direct Action It Is Not.

That why so many anarchists are for direct action, and for democratic
decision making processes, but opposed to our current electoral farce.

"What is Direct Action?", An Anarchist FAQ
http://www.au.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secJ2.html

"Anarchist Politics and Direct Action", by Rob Sparrow
http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/Direct_Action.html

"Direct Action" by Voltarine De Cleyre
http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/decleyre/sp001334.html

"How to Fire Your Boss: A Worker's Guide to Direct Action", IWW
http://fletcher.iww.org/direct_action/

Sorry, I've just been seeing the phrase abused alot recently.

Direct Action and Civil Disobedience are two different things.
Sometimes a direct action involves civil disobedience, sometimes it
doesn't. Sometimes civil disobedience is indirect action. And
violence/non-violence is a completely another matter entirely.

This brings up the question of how much direct action is in the Direct Action Network?
See also:
http://www.iww.org
no time
05 Oct 2000
Finally a bit of of action has taken place. Unfortunately there are certain people trying to delegitimize the idea of protest as a viable form of democracy. Hey dan, we have no time for you. Against money and weopans one has nothing but their voices and their feet. Ours are being heard, albeit faintly. To abndon hope is to concede. I'll be trying like hell not to abandon hope. thanks, ben
direct smaction
05 Oct 2000
That's right. And, blocking women's reproductive clinics gets attention and is a very effective direct actions. Does that make it right? Tyranny is tyranny whether it's a minority or a majority that effects it.

If the ends justifies the means, if effectiveness is the measure of morality, than it's morally acceptable for the powerful to just do away with you troublesome dissidents. It's a good thing for you that they live by different, shall we say more tolerant, rules.
weapons?
05 Oct 2000
>>Against money and weopans one has nothing but their voices and their feet.