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Commentary :: DNC
Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Inexperienced readers of IndyMedia can easily mistake what looks like honest criticism, posted in the form of comments, as legitimate feedback. Experience in filtering through the FBI’s online psychological warfare project directed against dissidents, however, has led me to the following analysis of comments made on Boston IndyMedia in response to the ongoing actions against the DNC. What follows is a breakdown of some of the comments and what they indicate, from a motivational standpoint with respect to psyops.

Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia

 

Inexperienced readers of IndyMedia can easily mistake what looks like honest criticism, posted in the form of comments, as legitimate feedback.  Experience in filtering through the FBI’s online psychological warfare project directed against dissidents, however, has led me to the following analysis of comments made on Boston IndyMedia in response to the ongoing actions against the DNC.  What follows is a breakdown of some of the comments and what they indicate, from a motivational standpoint with respect to psyops.

 

First, keep in mind that the FBI posts not to inform or discuss, but to provoke a cognitive state that they believe will prompt activists to behave in a manner that is compatible with the goals of the FBI.  The contents of an FBI post are not relevant.  It is the effect of the post that counts.  This is typical in psychological warfare.  For example, if someone where to torture another by repeatedly playing the “Barney Theme Song,” it is not the message “I love you, you love me, …” that they wish to convey, it is the annoyance associated with subjection to the song repeatedly and against one’s will that is the goal.

 

Over the last few days, the FBI has been posting messages on Boston IndyMedia.  The messages imply that:

 

1)      Few people are protesting.

2)      Decentralized actions are ineffective because they fail to get press coverage.

3)      Protesters that get attention, such as the woman thrown out of the convention, are an irritation and unliked in their home area.

 

None of the above is true.  Thus, the content of the message is not relevant.  What is relevant are the underlying assumptions that the FBI wishes you to swallow subconsciously and the effect of the messages.

 

Both implications (1) and (2) imply that decentralized action is ineffective.  Any of us that have engaged in or witnessed decentralized action know that the opposite is true.  A handful of individuals can have as much effect (if not more) on the people who see their action as a large demonstration can.  I must stress that the media must be removed from the equation in understanding the previous sentence.  The American corporate media DOES NOT present protests as they actually are.  They present large protests as they wish them to be portrayed.  Protesters have little or no control over the message that the media will deliver when the media covers a protest.  Therefore, whatever message is portrayed by the media can be assumed, a priori, to be ineffective with regard to the goals of the protesters.  With a decentralized action, since the media is often assumed to be irrelevant, the protesters control completely their message as they deliver it directly to the witnesses of the action.

 

Large centralized protests depend upon large organizations to plan and deploy.  Decentralized actions often do not depend upon any organization to deploy.  The idea of conducting a decentralized action is spread by doing a decentralized action.  Decentralized actions are usually designed to be fun exactly because the desire to have fun will increase the probability that someone will copy it, improve upon it, or be inspired to design an action even more fun or effective.  This is how memes spread.  Decentralized actions should be viewed as viruses released into the population in that they are complexes of ideas which can be copied and spread by those coming in contact with them.  It is the “viral” nature of the decentralized action that makes it a good investment with regard to effort and effect.  Since decentralized actions are small and easily copied, the designer of the decentralized action does not need to provide the resources for the next group of individuals copying it.  The individuals choosing to copy, modify or evolve it invest their own resources.

 

The FBI is attempting to discourage decentralized resistance because they cannot effectively infiltrate or monitor it.  The very fact that the media is not aware of it is proof that it is difficult to monitor.  If the FBI wanted us to engage in decentralized resistance rather than organized resistance, their trolls would be encouraging decentralized resistance while dumping on organized resistance.  If you read their posts, they almost sound as if they long for the good old days of ANSWER rather than decentralized resistance.

 

As for point (3) above, this is obviously an attempt to isolate successful dissenters and to divide the movement.  This is exactly the goal of COINTELPRO.  We cannot stop the FBI from posting on IndyMedia, but we should immunize ourselves against the effects of their PsyOps by understanding exactly what it is that they are doing.


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Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
THANK YOU! This kind of education is extremely important for folks involved in action today. We have so much history to learn from, I hope everyone will be paying attention to this kind of post. Those with experience and knowledge from the past need to come forward with more information that will help newcomers to the movement. Great work!
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
COINTELPRO has infiltrated everything, our democratic nominee is their president.

The protests I have seen in Boston are most excellent, just the one with all of the boots of the soldiers makes a huge statement for all to see, and there is no one to beat up. The FBI can't control the protesters creativity so it scares them.

They can't stop the truth, but WHO will hold them accountable? Certainly not John Kerry. The key is probably Sibel Edmonds, who once given the chance to speak, will expose just how corrupt the FBI and all of our government is.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Thanks for the 411.
Knowledge is Power.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
thats fucking hilarious. what a bunch of fucking wingnuts, no wonder my fellow anarchists are so ineffective. every criticism is COINTELPRO, yee hah, i can't wait to get my big fat paycheck from the government.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
'Therefore, whatever message is portrayed by the media can be assumed, a priori, to be ineffective with regard to the goals of the protesters. With a decentralized action, since the media is often assumed to be irrelevant, the protesters control completely their message as they deliver it directly to the witnesses of the action.'

Ya gotta have witnesses to make this work? Where were they?
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Okay, how many folks turned out? Maximum? For the entire convergence? And if 'numbers' and the capitalist media are viewed as irrelevant, - and not just the enemy - how did those who participated communicate their message to the witnessess of the action? Who were those 'witnessess?' Delegates? Dozens? Hundreds ? Were they liable to be 'infected with the viral memes of radical social and economic change and spread it when they return home?

And how do you explain the real impact that a craftily designed action like the hooded street theatre at the Protest Pen had on the thousands who actually did see it via the media? Looks like that got the message across to far more people who were not on the scene, but got a glimpse of it through both alternative and corporate media coverage.

Was this whole thing an just an experiment for advancing a decentralized model of organizing? Will we read about it in Crimethinc?
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
This entire article is a CoIntelPro post. The first objective of any psyops operation is to convince your enemy to delude themselves.

Nice try.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
IMO, don't worry about the FBI posting to to Indymedia sites. ( They spend more time monitoring it than anything else..and have for years ) I'd worry about the informants who have been turned that attend your spokescouncils, or lurk on your listserves. That's where they get the hard intellegence ;) Security culture in Boston sucks.

BTW Enough of the paranoia.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
I know you know I know you know I know you know I know you know I know you know I know... where does it all end - get off the mental merry-go-round and skip the cloak-and -dagger swagger and just keep focused on the message that everyone needs to hear, the best cover is in the greatest number.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Actually it is true that few people are protesting. Anyone with their own two eyes can see this. The turnout is pathetic. But, I among others knew it would be this way because that stupid "anybody but bush" mentality (including stalin, mao and hitler apparantly) rules the day, or the week so to speak.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Here is a story from Boston.com. Pay particular attention to the last line.



Police prepare for rowdy protests on convention's last day

By Ken Maguire, Associated Press | July 29, 2004

Protesters on bicycles snaked through the city Thursday as police braced for a surge in street demonstrations for the windup of the Democratic National Convention.
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After four, largely problem-free days, police were expecting a "big day" of protests, since demonstrators typically look for the largest possible audience, said Boston Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole. Police tactical teams were out in force, she added, as they have been throughout the week.

Still, by Thursday morning police had reported only two arrests in the convention area, one a person who was apparently intoxicated and another a woman who drove through a security checkpoint.

About 100 protesters from a group calling itself Critical Mass set out from Copley Square on bicycles, riding through downtown Boston and the Back Bay neighborhood and presenting challenges for police trying to keep pace on their own bikes. It wasn't immediately clear what the group was protesting.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Here is a story from Boston.com. Pay particular attention to the last line.



Police prepare for rowdy protests on convention's last day

By Ken Maguire, Associated Press | July 29, 2004

Protesters on bicycles snaked through the city Thursday as police braced for a surge in street demonstrations for the windup of the Democratic National Convention.
ADVERTISEMENT


After four, largely problem-free days, police were expecting a "big day" of protests, since demonstrators typically look for the largest possible audience, said Boston Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole. Police tactical teams were out in force, she added, as they have been throughout the week.

Still, by Thursday morning police had reported only two arrests in the convention area, one a person who was apparently intoxicated and another a woman who drove through a security checkpoint.

About 100 protesters from a group calling itself Critical Mass set out from Copley Square on bicycles, riding through downtown Boston and the Back Bay neighborhood and presenting challenges for police trying to keep pace on their own bikes. It wasn't immediately clear what the group was protesting.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
OK so if legit criticism is possible how do we tell it from FBI posts intended to demoralize us? Furthermore is there any specific independent evidence critical posts such as the one you cite are from the FBI or any other gov't agent? I mean it's sure it's plausible but can you really be sure? Or just an educated guess? As they say - "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog!"
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
It's a shame that a few of you make light of the FBI's activities against activists. While the FBI and other feds are not as omniscient as some activists would like to believe, they do engage in dirty tactics, including the posting of materials on Indymedia websites. Some of us have compared notes about police postings to Indymedia sites during past protests. Much of their activity is aimed at marginalizing and threatening individual activists. They also post disparaging comments about the protests. And sometimes they brag about the police.

The feds post to Indymedia. Be wary, play safe, but have fun! The cops just aren't as competent and powerful as they want us to think. ;-)
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Yup I am the FBI and I'm after you boston indymedia.org You're on our most watched list right between the those Springfield commies The Simpsons and that subversive, J K Rowling who teaches our children about the devil and witch craft in those things she writes, called books. We've got our eyes on you. Deep down we're afraid that people will listen to protesters dressed as pirates, especially now that The Pirates of the Carribean was such a big hit.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Yup I am the FBI and I'm after you boston indymedia.org You're on our most watched list right between the those Springfield commies The Simpsons and that subversive, J K Rowling who teaches our children about the devil and witch craft in those things she writes, called books. We've got our eyes on you. Deep down we're afraid that people will listen to protesters dressed as pirates, especially now that The Pirates of the Carribean was such a big hit.
Replies to the article prove the article correct.
29 Jul 2004
The article was posted. Normal readers saw it and responded. Word got out at the FBI that it was posted and the COINTELPRO crew was called in, thus the troll posts beginning after a few normal posts.

Typical FBI shit.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
DUDE, chill OUT. What do you care if the FBI is posting in your forum, as opposed to sitting there in their offices crapping their pants over whether a real terrorist event will occur and them be blamed? People see through all the statist nonsense - it's why they are tuning the conventions (and the primary and general elections) out in droves. Relax, have fun, exercise your rights. Ignore the FBI - they are irrelevant. Freedom-loving people are with you.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
DUDE, chill OUT. What do you care if the FBI is posting in your forum, as opposed to sitting there in their offices crapping their pants over whether a real terrorist event will occur and them be blamed? People see through all the statist nonsense - it's why they are tuning the conventions (and the primary and general elections) out in droves. Relax, have fun, exercise your rights. Ignore the FBI - they are irrelevant. Freedom-loving people are with you.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
The threat of cointelpro and who they are and are not and whether they are posting or not posting is really really confusing to me. I thought the article sounded legit and helpful and then people are saying the FBI wrote it. What's the consensus?
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Great post. It's educational for the newbies and a good reminder for others. Cointelpro is a reality. You did do your homework, right?

One way to tell legitimate criticism is that it's CONSTRUCTIVE. If someone is just angrily stating some slander, what good does it do? It won't even relieve the posters' anger if that's what they are legitimately feeling.

in solidarity, peace
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
The FBI is too busy planning bombings (ie the first WTC truck bombing) and harassing civilains (ie Critical Art Ensemble) to be messing with indie media. FBI are GODLIKE BEINGS. We should just worship them and trust them. The FBI IS INFALLIBLE.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Consider the possibility that the ProtestWarriors are also posting to this thread, and laughing themselves silly over the paranoia on display here. Particuarly the orginial article.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
i think you all should stop mentally jacking yerself off thinking the FBI even gives a crap, i know you know they know...
parinoia only rips us farther apart
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
If the Gov doesn't care then why do .mil doj.gov etc etc, ad nauseum keep showing up on IP logs? Yes people who don't hide their IPs aren't undercover but known Government proxies show up regularly too. Don't be scared or intimidated, but don't be naive either. Discussion brings us closer together.

P.S. I don't know about Indy sites in particular, but why would they be excluded?
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
29 Jul 2004
Well since a few of the core organizers of the Black Tea Society are more than likely FBI than I guess it makes since that they would post up dumb comments.

How does one spot an FBI agent who is posing as a Anarchist Youth? Its easy they are the ones who don't know how to organize people. And they might be the ones that put up things on the website talking about how Black Tea comes fro the same stock as Jefferson. Yes! Jefferson the slave holder, the capitalist, and rapist.

Hopefully the counter-RNC organizers will keep the FBI out of the planning.
How to spot a pig
30 Jul 2004
In miami, they wore army jackets, skipped a few days shaving... and had harley logos sewn on their jackets. Yep, corporate logos at a trade summit protest! Plus there was one of them, identically dressed, posted on each of the 4 street corners in veiw. On indy media they pose as local citizens (how many non-political folks ever HEARD of indy media?) and try to sow dissension between "good" and "bad" protestors...

They aren't real clever. You can spot them.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
30 Jul 2004
Yes the FBI and the pigs post on indymedia. There posts are usually easy to spot. Things mentioned above (ie: downplayihng effective tactics) but they also try to drive divisive wedges within the community.

When the feds infiltrated the WP fucks they had their operatives sleep with members wives. They also started spreading false rumors about the members backstabbing each other. "divide and conquer" oldest trick in the book. So when you see posts that intend to divide people, you see the pigs at work.

Also common to their posts is an overbearing or autoritative tone. Any of the posts that you have seen that begin with "nope, wrong" or multiple posts with similar phrases are pigs. Their to fucking stupid to realize that we don't utilize such tones and know that their post is ineffective without it. If they shout about something being 'wrong' more people will notice it but its also easier to spot their agenda. If they mildly present it people will think about it and most (i would assume) would disregaurd it as wrong.

Also look for people bragging about being anarchist. This is most likely a pig, but could be a 13 year old with a hard on. The pigs somehow think it give them credibility if they claim to be an anarchist. As if were stupid enough to put more relevence on someones ideas because of some stupid label.

And yes not only are the pigs here but a bunch of racist para-military right-wing fucks. So ignore the bullshit. dont even comment on it, its not worth your time. Add something useful to the discussion and move on. Even if its not the pigs or some libertarian who cares. If you dont like the comment ignore it.
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
30 Jul 2004
I wonder how many of us were reading Atlanta Indymedia leading up to the G8 summit. Nearly every poster on that site was a pig. All posing as local citizens, warning protesters that they were not welcome in Georgia and that all the Bubbas would make sure that every protester goes home in a body bag or an ambulance. All bullshit. But I think it was successful in scaring people away. I'm sure many people who were considering going to Georgia, and read Indymedia only to change their minds when they saw all the hostile, threatening posts.

Of course you shouldn't be overly paranoid when reading Indymedia, just like you shouldn't be overly paranoid when you are walking down the street. But keeping your wits about you and being street-smart can go a long way. You shouldn't be paranoid, but you shouldn't be naive either.

Look into the history of COINTELPRO. If you don't know the history, you will be doomed to repeat it. Look at what they did to the Black Panther Party. Yes, they assassinated some members and engaged in all kinds of illegal tactics, but their primary weapon was sowing dissension among the ranks of the Party. They would send false letters to Party members attacking them. They would spread rumors. They did whatever they could to sow dissension and division, and ultimately they succeeded in destroying the BPP from within.

They do the same thing on Indymedia, it seems to me. It also seems to me that most people on the left should understand the importance of UNITY. If you are trying to spread pointless DISUNITY (especially in the attacks on ANSWER, Refuse & Resist, NION, et al.), you are doing nothing to advance the movement. You are either woefully misguided, or a cop. And your posts should be treated as such.

Don't be paranoid, but don't be naive either.
LIVE FROM THE PEN
01 Aug 2004
I have never been more thrilled to be wrong. There was NO Emergency. (DRANT #3)
On the day of the Big Demonstration, all was basically tranquil, non violent, chilled.
Except if you watched TV or read the newspapers.
If you watched TV or read the newspapers, there was a riot- a nasty confrontation between violent anarchists and stoic disciplined meticulously trained police.
If you watched TV or read the newspapers, a young terrorist had a Molotov Cocktail, but was fortuitously thwarted by the decisive intercession of Heroic Homeland Security personnel, and if you watched TV or read the newspapers, Peace Goons burned the American Flag but the sacrilege was suppressed, thank the Lord, in the nick of time.
But - if you were THERE- you saw a totally different Reality on July 29:

There was no perceptible publicity, there were no posters, no leaflets, and the time for the demo had changed eight times.
About an hour earlier than the announced schedule, the demonstrators, 4-500 people mostly from The (purposely unorganized) Black Tea Society, formed a decidedly less than critical mass in Copley Square.
Tipping Point or no, they ambled, cum banners, props, signs, music, chants and interesting piercings-- whatever it was it wasn't no March but it wasn't wandering either, over to the designated Barbed Wire Free Speech Area near the Convention site.
Of course, everyone had agreed that we were no way sticking digit number one into Auschwitz East- also know as Gitmo North, The Cage or The Pen.
Mostly, The Pen had become a tourist attraction- where outtatowners took cute fotos in Yankees Suck t shirts, standing with Aunt Jeannie and Uncle Phil next to the No Blood for Oil and Bush Lies People Die posters.
The crowd was largely younger people, peppered with older veteran peace movement codgers, like me-- arriving late since the time had been changed, us codgers being a punctual lot.
After all the huffing and puffing, and dire predictions, terrifying Risk Assessments, fear-inspiring Police Estimates, and weeks of intense Ashcrofting, the various Cop Contingents outnumbered the protestors by no less than 3-1. The cops wore their best, and very very expensive Terminator Black bullet-proof and plastic shield stuff.
They formed a line between the protestors and the convention delegates' entrance, where dilatory Democrats were arriving for the next few hours of speech soporifics and teleprompter tirades, all accompanied by canned ovations, remarkably cute and stupefyingly privileged candidates' progeny and what would prove to be recalcitrant balloons.
The press corps(es) were armed and ready, steadicams aglow, mics at full extension.
The protestors advanced to the Police Line. Face to face belly to belly.
Tragedy seemed imminent.
The Tragedy that can only come when all those TV cameras and digital audio recorders have nothing to do. The tragedy of dead air. The 4 o'clock news would be on in 8.5 minutes, and there was no story in sight.
All those anchors, all that Max Factor #11, all the spray and plastic surgery and Journalism degrees from Mid Western schools, and money spent on blue blazers, haircuts, and tasteful sweater suits, would be WASTED, if nothing continued to happen.
With the dread alternatives of either Al Gore or a replay of someone remarkably articulate for a Negro looming-
SOMEONE had to DO something.
The cops and media eyebrowed each other.
Some kids burned, not an American Flag, but a puppet figure, with two faces- Kerry and Bush.
One kid held up an outrageously obviously bogus papier-mache spoof of a Molotov Cocktail.
Hahaha.
OK ! Let's ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !
The cops pushed the kids.
The kids pushed the Cops.
Cameras whirred.
The cops jumped all over the puppet burners. Pinned them down.
Extinguished the massive mannequin inferno.
Cameras whirred.
Two burly sons of Erin glommed the Kid with the cocktail, and grabbed the offending WMD.
Plastic cuffs, off they went.
Cameras whirred. The special Riot Trained State Police arrived en masse.
Anchors breathlessly reported the extensive and shocking carnage.
On channel Five, some spooked Shiksanchor spewed out how the violence we all feared had finally come, but the police were gaining control.
The situation is dangerously out of control, and there was no telling what could happen.....
Cameras whirred.
On channel seven, it was even worse. Another Shiksanchor, if imaginable- even more pinched than the one from 5, managed to send her live and on the scene message despite the wanton destruction and anarchy all around her, heroic in the face of a profound threat to her personal safety...
We don't know how long we can hold on here, Bill, but we will stand steadfast in the face of this uncontrollable seething mob, until ordered to evacuate.... back to you Bill.
While the Fox News shill did his Ed Murrow on a roof in the Blitzkreig imitation, all the print pimps got their shots of cops and kids, burning puppets and Molotov aperitifs, dutifully printed in color on the front page of the next morning's papers.
and then, poof.
It was over.
The local four o'clock news was saved from sure disaster. The tragedy of dead air averted.
Fifteen minutes later, the old hippies and life long union organizers, and March on Washington veterans, and old Izzie Stone readers
arrived, and searched in vein for the eye of the Storm. There was no eye, there was no storm. There wasn't even a drizzle.
I got 3-4 cell phone calls.
Are you OK ?
Of course I'm OK, why ?
Man, I just saw it on TV, there's a riot down there.
Are you hurt ?
Of course not, there's no riot.
But I saw it on TV.
No, no riot.
But I SAW IT on TV.
I'm HERE, there's no riot.
But I fucking SAW SAW SAW IT.
ON T V !!!!
I SAAAAW IT !

So what do we have here ?
We have the same thing that has gotten many thousands of Iraqis and 1000 US troops dead, and thousands more wounded and many thousands more scarred irreversibly for life.
We have media manipulation and fear-mongering, and pimp press, and disinformation campaigns, and above all, we have the deliberate calculated DUPING of We (the group formerly knows as) The People for profit and power.
A media exercise---------
to keep us scared,
to intimidate us from expressing our opinions
to keep us divided and afraid of our friends and our children,
and beholden to the powers that be and their police,
and willing to give up just about anything to feel SAFE. Eager -desperate- to spend our health care money and our environmental protection money, and our education money, and our medical research money, and public airwaves access money, just to feel protected.
Duped duped duped.
There was no riot.
There were no Kayeedas.
And if Osama has somehow obtained a special battery-powered dialysis machine that works in caves, you can be certain he will be captured just in time for the next coronation.
And the Media will all be there to get it on the air in time for the evening news.
Back to you, Bill.
See also:
http://drrant.blogspot.com
Re: Understanding FBI Posts on IndyMedia
05 Aug 2004
Be VERY CAUTIOUS of those who BOAST of their "militance"...that's very often the mark of a cop.

Otherwise, the best response is to just carry on the work.

redstar2000
http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net