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Announcement :: Politics
RIP Democracy 1776-2004
03 Nov 2004
A Funeral for American Ideals
Today voters across the country were shocked by John Kerry's early concession in this year's Presidential election. After the confusion and anger surrounding the 2000 election voters were hoping that this year there would be no doubt that every vote had been counted. Kerry's concession came long before all of the provisional and absentee ballots in Ohio had been accounted for much less recorded. The American people were prepared for a close race and were ready to wait until all of the results had been assembled. Apparently, Sen. Kerry wasn't.

We represent a group of college students from Wheaton College, Brandeis, Northeastern, and Boston University. We feel that Kerry's concession before all of the votes were counted represents this country's second failure in a row at legitimate democratic elections. We believe that this failure represents a death of the democratic ideals upon which this great country was founded. We are gathering together at Kerry Campaign headquarters in Boston (60 Canal St.) tonight at 8pm to hold a funeral to mourn the loss of democracy in America. Please join us tonight to come together and have our voices heard!!!

Please wear black if you will be able to...

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Re: RIP Democracy 1776-2004
03 Nov 2004
When you grow up you will feel differently...

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, "Anyone who is not a liberal at 20 has no heart; anyone who is not a conservative at 40 has no brain."
Why don't you use the words he really used?
03 Nov 2004
He used the word "socialist", not "liberal."

Therefore you have no brain, Mr. conservative.
Re: RIP Democracy 1776-2004
03 Nov 2004
"RIP Democracy 1776-2004"

I pretty much get the jist of your post but I don't understand the title. Rather than pose the arguement that "democracy" has ever really existed I'll point to the fact that although things are fucked up right now this is more democratic than the 18th and 19th centuries. Last I checked there isn't any sortof mass enslavement of african americans. There's no campaign of indigenous ethnic cleansing that I'm aware of. Labor and women's issues have improved slightly from how it was during that era wouldn't you agree?
Re: RIP Democracy 1776-2004
03 Nov 2004
Gee, Winston, you might want to get your quotes straight.

It was Benjamin Disraeli, conservative British prime minister during the Victorian era--who among other less-than-democratic acts saw Queen Victoria crowned Empress of India--that is the source of your paraphrase.

Just FYI, I, for one, am quite the grown up person already. And like many grown up people, I'm for the left.

The students above are indeed young, but what they will find out over time is that it takes alot more than the (likely manufactured) victory of a right-wing fundmentalist nationalist (and corporate pig) in a presidential election to kill democracy.
Re: Why don't you use the words he really used?
03 Nov 2004
Sorry for using words that are not in your vocabulary, like "paraphrase".

Anyway, liberal/socialist/communist, its all the same idealistic fluff that works out disastrously in reality. Ask anyone from the former Warsaw Pact. Reagan understood this and was viciously attacked for his beliefs at the time, but history has proven him right. Bush also understands this, with similar results. Yesterday showed that a substantial majority of American voters understands this as well.

Tell you what - print this out and put it away for your 10th or 20th reunion. See if you don't agree then. Very few people hold on to such naive beliefs in the face of a decade or two of real world experience.
Republicans Manipulated The Elections...
03 Nov 2004
My great-grandparents fought in the United States Civil War. Since no one has the balls to retrieve our democracy?
I'm paying off all my bills. And moving to Canada.
Won't have any Social Security in 15 years anyway.
I'll be better off in a REAL Democracy!
B.C.? Here I come!
Re: RIP Democracy 1776-2004
05 Nov 2004
it's funny, Winston, there was some Libertarian Party guy writing in the Metro yesterday who misattributed Churchill in exactly the same way you did

could that writer be you?

if so it would explain all your semi-educated "liberal/socialist/communist"-trashing

right-wing "libertarians" have never been able to do a credible job of explaining why they're necessary when the Republicans do a perfectly excellent job of destroying the U.S. government and every social democratic reform one could name

or what, precisely, is liberatory about the corporations they worship running the planet

sort of like the way you can't do a credible job of analyzing history or politics

toodles. . .
Re: RIP Democracy 1776-2004
07 Nov 2004
How is Churchill a "paraphrase" of Disraeli?