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FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
02 Apr 2005
(from the Open Newswire): It's all getting very real. The administrator of flag.blackened.net, a major anarchist internet host, has gone public with a harrowing account of FBI thuggery.

According to the report on their discussion forums, two comments were posted to subdomains hosted by the server, including Infoshop.org, which claimed responsibility for "propaganda of the deed." Although the administrator "Dave" is under some kind of government gag order, he did say this: "Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion."
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It's all getting very real. The administrator of flag.blackened.net, a major anarchist internet host, has gone public with a harrowing account of FBI thuggery.

According to the report on their discussion forums, two comments were posted to subdomains hosted by the server, including Infoshop.org, which claimed responsibility for "propaganda of the deed." Although the administrator "Dave" is under some kind of government gag order, he did say this: "Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion."

Under threat of imprisonment, the administrator appears to be leaning towards cooperation with the FBI. He is the sole provider for his family and is afraid of losing his home. He has also chosen to go public with this decision. Regardless of the right or wrong in his cooperation with the FBI political investigation, the administrator must be commended for his public honesty about the situation.

"I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future."

Infoshop.org, the Institute for Anarchist Studies and the Institute for Social Ecology are all hosted by this server. There are also significant international anarchist sites and archives.

Government coercion is real. That said, concern for personal property is not a justification for cooperating with political police. Just because it is understandable does not mean it is justified or acceptable. If these are the times we are living in, it's time to get straight on the basics. Don't talk. Comrades must look out for each other, and that includes caring for the family of people who go to prison. It's been done before by people in harder situations that we've had to face yet. Nobody said this would be easy.


See also:

http://burning.typepad.com




The Press Release:


A message from the administrator of Flag.blackened.net concerning two FBI subpoenas
directed at sites hosted by the Flag server. One of these sites is Infoshop News.

OK folks, here's the real deal as far as I can share it legally at the moment. Consider it as a press release if you wish and feel free to distribute it for whatever reason you deem necessary. I'm under court order not to speak about specifics and have my attorney trying to find out what the maximum penalty for disclosure
really is. I hate to have to keep my mouth shut in areas where the Gestapo is involved, but I also have to weigh things against the overall security of flag and it's subdomains and also the wellbeing of my family.

I have been ordered to submit IP info on two separate incidents having to do with subdomains hosted on flag. Both of these are in regard to claimed or threatened responsibility for acts of propaganda by the deed. Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion.

At this point let me say, in all honesty and conviction, that if I end up dead by strange means - suicide, overdose, drunk driving accident (I never, ever, ever drink and drive), "accidental" gunshot to the back of the head while sleeping ala Fred Hampton, car jacking, or anything else reasonably suspicious, contact the FBI in Chico, California for more details.

I have called numerous friends nationwide, anarchists and otherwise whose opinions I respect and who I know will be honest and forthwith in their opinions to ask them how I should proceed. The unanimous consensus is that I comply with the wishes of the FBI and provide the IP addresses responsible. The only point of discussion, really, has been whether or not I should reveal the specific information in violation of two court orders.

Really, I am not left with much of a choice. Here are my two choices as I see them:

1. Do not comply with the wishes of the FBI. This will most likely lead to the seizure of flag and a compromise of all the sites and information online. It will probably also lead to me being
imprisoned, I would guess. I personally do not fear this, but I am the sole support for my wife and infant daughter. There can be no doubt we would probably lose our home as a result.

2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my
comrades in the anarchist movement worldwide.

Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the burden for their selfish actions. Frankly
folks, they know better - we all know better.

I was first contacted by the Oakland FBI. Many of you know their history. We are talking COINTELPRO for real - not a perceived or mythical fear. They are proven murderers and automatons for the state who will blindly follow any order to kill or disrupt without question. Read the history of their disinformation campaign against the panthers if you don't believe me. The panther comic book
which they completed and distributed, the fake letters between Huey and Eldridge, the fires of hatred and murder they faked and inflamed between the panthers and the US or "united slaves" which
led to the murder of Bunchy Carter and John Higgins in L.A., the list goes on and on.

But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This
can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future. If you don't trust me, I understand, believe me.

It is by far the most agonizing decision I've been faced with in relation to my anarchist opinions.

This is why we do not discuss certain things as if they are a legitimate part of anarchism. Resist the extra y-chromosome influenced urge to sound more hardcore than the guy next to you.
Nobody is impressed and the powers that be are sitting on the edges of their seats waiting for an excuse to shut down flag. Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the trigger if you refuse to comply.

Believe it.

Your admin,

Dave
See also:
http://flag.blackened.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72081
http://burning.typepad.com

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Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
31 Mar 2005
If anyone out there in Indymedia land would like to write more on this, contacting groups like the EFF, the appropriate govt. body and so on, IMC US is looking for a feature on it and so are we.

email us.
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
31 Mar 2005
garcia (6573) * on Wednesday March 30, @04:29PM (#12093451)
(http://www.lazylightning.org/)
Our users have posted a total of 55265 articles. We have 1787 registered users

I just can't understand why someone running what is apparently a popular site would ever keep logs for more than a very short amount of time?

2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades in the anarchist movement worldwide.

I'd comply and say that there are no log files as they are immediately dumped to /dev/null.

Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the burden for their selfish actions. Frankly folks, they know better - we all know better.

Running a website that is viewed as a "threat" to the government in which the servers reside should have taught the admin (Dave) to know better and not to keep logs of any kind past a short period of time (minutes?) so that a webstats program could be run and the data incorporated and then removed. I don't see why this wasn't followed. I mean my website only averages 1000 hits (not even unique visits) daily over a month and it takes webalizer about three seconds to do what it needs to do.

But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision.

Oh it could have been avoided if the admin took the time to make sure that no such logs were being kept. They can only subpoena what physically exists.

Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the trigger if you refuse to comply.

Someone that is so against government control and intrusion should have known that this inevitability would occur at some point. Why didn't they take the time to protect themselves especially when they (and/or their family) could be harmed by the very people they host discussions for who could become enraged by their actions?
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
31 Mar 2005
"That said, concern for personal property is not a justification for cooperating with political police."

Seems to me, "Dave" cooperated with the FBI not because he wanted to protect his personal property, but because he didn't want his baby daughter to be homeless. I think that's a very real concern we should respect. Instead of treating him like a traitor to the movement, we should treat him like a victim of political persecution--an implicit threat to make your family homeless is an act of repression.
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
31 Mar 2005
absolute solidarity with dave. it is his decision and i agree with it. i also agree that there is no reason such a log should be kept if it doesn't have to be. right now i think our concern should be looking out for dave. as he said, the government absolutely kills its enemies, this isnt just some conspiracy theory. it has been admitted by the fbi in some cases.
Infoshop Is Good T-Shirts!
01 Apr 2005
Kinda ironic. Suppose to be hunting terrorists...And harrassing honest businesses that tells the truth.
This Administration looks more like Hitler's bunch. What's next? Burn the White House to declare martial law?
I'll be calling my Senator and Federal Rep in the morning.
I hate everything about this administration. When the hell will we see justice? FBI?...Do your job!
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
01 Apr 2005
shit like this IS the FBI's job.
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
01 Apr 2005
what incidents? i bet you the answer to that question is interesting.
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
01 Apr 2005
Note: though I can't claim to have done much work on boston.indymedia, I am the one most legally responsible for the server it's on.

First boston.indymedia logs hits but not IP addresses, even the apache error logs are scrubbed before they go to disk. My goal (for web hosting atleast) is to be able to fully cooperate with law enforcement and for that cooperation to be of zero value.

I'm totally with Dave on this one, though I agree he should have no logs to show, do we know that he does? While his agonising over the topic suggests he does perhaps it's that he doesn't want to cooperate not that his cooperation will be of value.

When you come right down to it web servers are not a place to put "secure" data. Even if he weren't to cooperate the feds could just swoop in under cover of darkness and take the whole machine or probably break in quietly from the outside, get the info they want and noone would be the wiser. So his non cooperation wouldn't save anyone and only endanger his family.

Now if you put your real name address and phone number in your "User Info" you may wish to reconsider. Other than that I know of no information that is on the server that you can't get publicly through a web browser, and I have looked...
See also:
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/ApacheLogsWithoutIPs
Re: FBI subpoenas the flag.blackened.net Server, infoshop.org, others hang in balance
01 Apr 2005
I think the real question is, should Dave have to take the hit even though the people who made the posts should have known that it was an extremely egregious violation of security culture (if they're not provocateurs in the first place, which they probably are.) I think his situation is pretty different from a situation where, say, someone rats out on a member of their affinity group. If he refuses to talk, he's essentially going to be punished for someone else's pure stupidity.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
02 Apr 2005
if you doubt the murderous intent of the fbi, research what happened to randy weaver at ruby ridge idaho, the fbi learned to not leave witnesses, therefore committed waco texas. at waco the fbi killed a hundred something. then think of the hidden ones. gary webb?
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
03 Apr 2005
well, we all knew that this would eventually happen. is anyone really surprised? we must support and encourage Dave to comply for his own personal and family safety, yet to continue resisting in any way possible, with ALL of our aid. Do not let him and his family face this alone...because this has ASTRONOMICAL implications for everyone in this enormous movement. This is big.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
03 Apr 2005
a factor weighing in favor of compliance would be that most tech savy anarchists are probably familiar with proxy servers or posting through open untraceable wifi networks so discovery of the IP's won't matter. also, does anyone know what the heck "propaganda of the deed" is? you mean like they claimed responsibility for keying SUV's or something?
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
03 Apr 2005
I'm not sure what "propaganda of the deed" was supposed to mean in this context, but in the nineteenth century, some anarchists used it to descibe assassinating heads of state in the hope that this would somehow miraculously stir up a mass insurrection. Some heads of state did get assissinated, but no mass insurrections got stirred up.
When can we have some?
04 Apr 2005
I just hope that the FBI comes to Boston IMC soon. If this town is going to have thought police, I would prefer they not be aging punk anarchists telling me what I am not allowed to think or say.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
04 Apr 2005
Some things that are important to think about... there's two trends in the anarchist mileu... one that is pro-organization, pro-worker, and isn't interested in shock or scare tactics, but is rather a more classical anarchist movement (anarcho-syndicalist, anarcho-communist, anti-capitalist individualist, etc) and then a more lifestyle-oriented, loosely organized "primitive" and "desire armed" trend - the kind of folks who dig Ward Churchill and see violence as a means to an end, and get quite self-rightious when people criticize them about it. What I have tried to argue over and over is that there is so much that activists can do before even contemplating violence it's not even funny. There is so much propaganda and community work to be done. So much organizing to be done. Let the Republican Party types be the violent ones... let them be the ones who physically attack the vestiges of democracy and liberty in our country. We don't need to be violent.


Propaganda by Deed was widely denounced by anarchists in America (and world wide) over half a century ago. I know people are frusterated, and I know that there are definitions of oppression that go beyond authoritarianism and wage-slavery that encompass a wider body of concepts that make it so that for some people, violence, stealing, and criminality are "good" or "normal" ideas - but I personally don't understand why this sort of adolescent stage of life has to be carried over into a political philosophy.


Also remember that people who were tracked down and arrested or killed by the government were in fact groups that did in fact commit federal crimes like bank robbing, etc. I never understood why people tend to put "revolutionary nationalist" and focoist guerrila types in the same category as anarchists who are primarily interested in fighting the system at the point of economic production and simply demonstrating that liberty and not coercion is the basis of order and happiness, and who realize that violence, threats, and "propaganda by deed" are useless and stupid.


One problem that always existed with Chuck's InfoShop (which is a site carried by Dave's system) is the fact that Chuck activly supports groups like Anarchy Magazine,Green Anarchy magazine, and "Primitivism" in general. This has tended to mean people being involved who do not discount violence and bizarre "a handful against the state" type stuff that is just asking for trouble.


It wouldn't matter what kind of site it was... anarchist or not.. if someone anonymously posts to a blog site that they had something to do with a federal crime, the government is going to seek answers. For this reason, this whole thing does not seem as omonous to me as it might be... and I think people are over-reacting. If you make is so anonymous people can post, or if you yourself believe in violence as a means to an end or as some kind of rallying point (instead of organization, solidarity, and liberty) then you are asking for it. It's just common sense.


Finally... here's a lil cartoon I did a while ago.. since someone suggested the FBI was wasting their time watching anarchists when there are much more important things going on out there...

http://www.jmac.org/~jah/lj/hoovie/agenthoovie01.jpg
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
04 Apr 2005
nice troll there, tonto.

First of all... the punk types in the boston anarchist scene always look pretty young to me because there's always a new set of them joinign the movement... so I dunno what you mean by "aging" punks. But punks are hardly the only people in the anarchist scene here.

Second of all, it's a common practice to claim that anarchists are "authoritaran" because they oppose stuff like sexism and homophobia or capitalism. The trick is, there is a difference between coercion and dissasociation. you can be sexist or racist all you want.. you just wont get any cooperation from others for being that way. Nobody is going to physically stop you from doing anything unless you physically fuck with them. You can say whatever you want and show everyone what a creep you are.

Also, finding one instance where an anarchist breaks some rule, like telling you to get the fuck out of their house (or their face) doesnt make their anarchism invalid.

What do you think of the capitalist "Libertarian" types, who are repeatedly authoritarian? (being bosses and landlords, supporting the police, voting for Republicans, etc) ... the anarchists are a hell of a lot more consistant with their philosophy than the Ayn Rand/closet republican types when it comes to the principle of liberty.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
04 Apr 2005
I guess that's what happens when you want to smash the state?..
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
06 Apr 2005
"you can be sexist or racist all you want.. you just wont get any cooperation from others for being that way. Nobody is going to physically stop you from doing anything unless you physically fuck with them. You can say whatever you want and show everyone what a creep you are."

Bullshit. What do groups like ARA do? They show up to white supremacist events - speeches, rallies, whatever - and physically attack them. They (the racists) aren't physically attacking anyone. Those people are "saying whatever they want".. and what happens? For people who believe in "disassociation", anarchists seem to do a lot of physically attacking people who's views they deem unacceptable. And of course we can all agree that racists are disgusting and probably deserve to be beat up - but anarchists hate everyone else - liberals, conservatives, communists, capitalists, Greens, Democrats, Republicans, and so on... so where does it end?

Now, of course, the ARA argument is, basically, that they are brave heroes defending us all from the imminent resurrection of the Third Reich, by having a go at some truly insane and isolated racist kooks. Like anyone gives a shit if the far right and far left want to go fight in the streets. Never mind that C. Powell and C. Rice are part of the Bush administration, Barack Obama is the great hope of the Democrats, and people like Jay-Z are Robert Johnson are disgustingly wealthy; no, no, if we don't show up to their speeches and beat them up, the racists will take over and kill everyone.

Anarchists don't believe in "freedom of speech" any more that white supremacists believe in ethnic diversity. Anarchist freedom of speech, basically, means that you can say whatever you want, as long as it agrees with what I believe.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
06 Apr 2005
liberal.
ARA, Anarchists, and Freedom
06 Apr 2005
I don't remember ARA ever being officially considered "anarchist" - it's a loose grouping of liberals, activists, jews and other minorities, and so on.

Also, only the violent racists get attacked violently. Keep in mind that some anti-racist activists have been murdered, and many have been threatened. Skinheads that have talked about starting a RASH chapter in Boston have been threatened by White Supremicists... and the same group of WP types was associated with smashing the window of Revolution Books in Cambridge.

There were Brownshirts at the recent anti-war protest in the Boston Common, as well as Protest Warrior people. NOBODY PHYSICALLY ATTACKED THEM... even though there _WERE_ ARA and NE-Antifa people there... so you are full of shit. They in fact do not attack people for no physical reason... only people who attack others.

If you are talking about papers like "Barricada" which cheered ont he idea of beating WPs to a bloody pulp, well the "Barricada" group, by the way, had an individual in it who was basically very sympathetic to Stalinism/Maoism you know. And that group isn't around anymore.

Very convenient for you to say what you say... you are the type who calls ARA "wimps" when they physically do nothing, arent you, chris?

And how do you propose people deal with people who have the _organized_ and STATED GOAL of using violence against homosexuals and non-"white" people anyway?

In terms of "letting people say what they want", I was talking about ordinary people who say racist or sexist things... average people.. all of us no matter whom we are, who are not ORGANIZED behind the ideas of racism, but are simply regurgitating the background noise of racism that is projected by corporate television, radio, and newspapers like the Boston Herald.

There is a very big difference between personal racism/sexism/homophobia, and forming an organization around those issues in order to promote them and in a systematic way destroy livelyhoods and lives.

Can you explain why no anarchist has ever physically attacked Rev. Fred Phelps, the "God Hates Fags" guy? It is because your arguments are baseless and nonsense.

Ordinary people are not "told what they can't do" by anarchists. That was the argument I was making, because "Tonto" was suggesting that on a personal level anarchists tell people what they cant do. There is a difference between giving advice, suggestions, and dissassociating, and actually using force to "shut someone up".

Meanwhile, every day of our working lives we are told what we cannot do not by the government... not by the police... not by fascists.. but by our EMPLOYERS and by PROPERTY OWNERS. So why arent you getting in a huff about that, chris?

It is common to argue that liberty is impossible, in order to attack anarchism, so that one can justify authoritarianism. You are trying to attack anarchists but it seems to me what you are really doing is revealing your own racist and authoritarian desires.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
06 Apr 2005
"Very convenient for you to say what you say... you are the type who calls ARA "wimps" when they physically do nothing, arent you, chris?"

Well, no, but you are the type to put words in people's mouths, aren'tcha, bud?

"You are trying to attack anarchists but it seems to me what you are really doing is revealing your own racist and authoritarian desires."

Hahahaha. Good one. Because I think that it's inconsistent for anarchists to attack people and at the same time claim to support "freedom of speech".. or something.. I'm racist and authoritarian?

Name-calling is fun AND productive!
Keep in Mind
06 Apr 2005
Not all (A)'s support ARA tactics. In fact, many of us find them childish at best, and shortsided and reactionary at worst.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
I'm not in ARA or NE Antifa, but I am a-okay with physically confronting neo-nazis and not allowing them to have the streets. It's not about speech, it's about power and the ability to openly organize and mobilize. It's also about longterm self defense. Crush them before they crush you... and, sooner or later, if given the chance they will crush you.
Huh
07 Apr 2005
It's not that community self defense is an issue. It's just that antifacism is reactionary by targeting groups that are already out of power, are even more marginalized then we are, and completely ignoring other facets of fascism/totalitarianism. But it's more than that, whenever "anarchists" start working with the ADL, fuck them and fuck their groups. The next dictator won't resemble hitler, stop trying to relive some historical battle.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Who works with the ADL? What are you talking about?
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Before ADL turned on them, ARA consistently collaborated with them. For some info on it, check out:

http://www.foodnotbombs.net/Antifa%20Info-Bulletin.html

For years, the ARA's line has been almost identical of that of the ADL. It's no surprise that the ARA seems to never protests the racism of zionism. Not to mention that the ARA (and many like minded antifa groups) seem to think they have a friend in the SPLC.
Anti-Racism
07 Apr 2005
ADL doesn't like anarchists because many anarchists have criticized zionism and christian fundamentalism (they apparently consider certain atheist or anti-religious symbols to be "hate" symbols... such as an upside-down cross, etc.)

ADL also threatened legal action against the "Anarchist Anti-Defamation Leage" project and forced it's name to be changed years back.

It's a better idea to work with these groups:

Political Research Associates:
http://www.publiceye.org/

Southern Poverty Law Center:
http://www.splcenter.org/
SPLC, Zionism, ARA, etc.
07 Apr 2005
Wait a sec... Crispy, are you saying SPLC isn't a good group to work with? But if every anti-racist research organization is denounced as "zionist" (or whatever), how are people supposed to get information?

Also, are you really asking anarchists to choose between zionism and islamic fundamentalism (which hijacked the Palestinian cause from the beginning) ... I would say both things are stupid, and avoiding working with the research groups plays into what the racists want - which is for their opponents to be divided and distrustful of each other... and ignorant.

(Of course neither Amer Juban or Farouk were islamic fundamentalists)

I'd say that PRA (and the founder says he is opposed to Zionism), and SPLC could be worked with - or at least one could use some of their resources, and not have one's principles compromised.

The argument that antifascism is a waste of time seems silly to me. Antiracist/antifascists groups grow in direct proportion to the threat that exists. When organized racist or homophobic activity is low, ARA and Antifa shrink. This seems consistant with the concept that ideas and needs are more important than the existance of formal organizations, and that organizations must serve some real purpose if they are to exist, and they should cease to exist when they are not needed.

What I mean is that ARA, Antifa, and even SHARP don't perpetually exist in order to watch over everyone and create a stifiling atmosphere. They exist when they are needed.
SPLC! Holy fucking shit!
07 Apr 2005
In case you hadn't heard Biff, the SPLC is an FBI front group. They have admitted to spying on groups for the FBI for years, especially on anarchists and other "extremist hate groups". If you're really advocating working with the FBI (and aren't just misinformed) than you are a security threat and I completely dissasociate myself from you. Caio.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Since ARA is an anti-authoritarian direct action group, and NE Antifa is outright anarchist neither of them collaborate with State groups like SPLC. SPLC has written a number of scathing reports against militant anti-racist "street gangs" (aka ARA). Contrary to what Biff says, there is no collaboration between these groups.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Unfortunately antifa, ARA seems to disagree with you, as SPLC is on their friends list on their website. Antiracistaction.ca.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Guess I stand corrected. It'd be one thing if SPLC was listed as a general anti-racist reseach source, but a friend or allie? Two points against ARA on that one.
Indeed
07 Apr 2005
I guess the internal problem of groups like ARA, or other anti-X groups in general (especially anti-war!!) is that they serve as a coalition and general don't have a positive political message, and thus generally are magnets for not so desirables. This isn't to say all, but just many.
Never Mind SPLC Then
07 Apr 2005
OK, OK... fine. I am sorry I suggested anarchists work with SPLC. I didn't know what they had done. What anarchists need to do is create our own anti-racism research library/resource center(s).
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
07 Apr 2005
Now might be a good time to point out that, whatever certain ARA groups have done, allied with, or possibly been used for in the past... Northeast Antifascists isn't in the ARA network. talk about guilt by association.

And Biff is onto something big here: "When organized racist or homophobic activity is low, ARA and Antifa shrink." If it were really an effort to attack marginalized groups, the reverse would be true. The revolutionary anarchist movement would be FUCKED if everyone put their time into fighting fascists, just like it would be fucked if everyone dropped their projects and started doing copwatch or Food Not Bombs or any one specific project.

I look forward to scaling back the antifa work I do in the near to mid future, and handing off the watch to someone new. Antifascism by itself is not a revolutionary perspective, and putting too much time into it for too long will screw anyone up. That said, it's a defensive task that someone's gotta do when there are fascists moving forward in their organizing. They will attack us when they get to a certain, fairly early, point in their strength, and we all know that we DON'T want the State--or its liberal lapdogs--"protecting" us when that happens.
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
08 Apr 2005
"It's also about longterm self defense. Crush them before they crush you... and, sooner or later, if given the chance they will crush you."

This is the same argument used, very successfullly, by the Bush administration to invade and occupy Iraq. If we don't pre-emptively attack this country, run by a madman dictator, he will eventually gather weapons of mass destruction and kill hundreds of thousands of our citizens.

So basically, it's OK for anyone to attack anyone else, so long as they feel that, at some point in the future, they will be threatened by that party. Never mind if the perception of threat is accurate or based in reality; it's enough for said party to FEEL threatened.

Of course, Iraq directly attacking the United States is about as likely as a few deranged skinheads taking over the US government and resurrecting full-scale facism and the Third Reich - but don't let that stand in the way of a good ruck!
Re: FBI Pressures Anarchist Internet Administrator Into Disclosing IP Addresses
08 Apr 2005
"Attack is the Best Form of Defense" - Johann Most, 1884
Attack?
08 Apr 2005
Attack what? Come on.

When the day comes that there are more anarchist union shops, infoshops, and bookstores in a major city than McDonald's resterants, then you will realize what it means to be serious.

And this is something that doesn't need any violence whatsoever... just organizing and believing in yourself and working hard at something you like doing in the movement.
ALL of this was stated at least two years in advance. Why the feigned surprise?
12 Apr 2005
Didnt warnings go out to those folks running those websites in the form of mysterious hacking attacks, clearly written e-mail messages (from obfuscated senders), and certain individuals were made to serve as "examples" of what types of actions would take place in the coming years?

On this IMC alone there are many articles in the archive supporting my statements. Unfortunately, the "political correct" and hypocritical policies of this "Open Publishing" newswire (translated: extreme Left Wing, all others are CENSORED), have removed the advance warnings.

Hear this: more servers will be seized, more individuals will be singled out, and open discussion of anarchist activities against the government will NOT be tolerated. Such discussion will be relegated to forums which require registration.

Gonna delete this? Figures.....tear down the "WARNING: Bridge Out" sign down, and many people will fall into the river.....
depression
30 May 2006
This is very interesting site...