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Announcement :: Organizing
Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
07 May 2005
NAZIS IN BOSTON: THEY SHALL NOT PASS!

This weekend, Neo-Nazi groups White Revolution, Aryan Nations and others are planning to converge on Boston for a "White Unity" rally, and then to disrupt the Jewish community's commemoration of the Holocaust. We will confront them head on!

Join Stop the Nazis Now Coalition in a powerful show of anti-Nazi and anti-racist unity.

Sunday, May 8th
11:30am
Across from the Holocaust Memorial
Congress Street near Faneuil Hall

PS: The youth bloc will also meet at Faneuil Hall.


(From www.whiterevolution.com)

"New England White Revolution cordially invites you to our. White Unity Meeting -May 7th, 2005 and Holocaust Memorial counter-demonstration* -May 8th, 2005

MA.,CT., and NH. Members of White Revolution, the Connecticut White Wolves, and allied White Nationalists will be holding a White Unity Meeting in the Boston, MA. area on May 7th, 2005. All White Nationalists are invited to attend, regardless of organizational affiliation, or lack thereof. Chairman Billy Roper of White Revolution will speak on the topic of "Who Are The Jews?", in preparation for the next day, when all present are invited to participate in public protests countering the Holocaust Memorial "Shoah" events in the Boston area. Come join us in a weekend of racial solidarity!

*As per WR public event policy, please leave your swastikas, W.W.II flags, and other National Socialist flags, banners, apparel, and etc. at home for this event. Thank you!"

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Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
07 May 2005
Please come out and protest these obscene jerks who to not only deny the Holocaust...but encite other to continue genocide and racism. This is America...and who do not put up with this crap here!
Shalom...Peace to All!
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
07 May 2005
I don't think most of those commemorating the Nazi holocaust (which was, in numbers, directed overwhelmingly at European Jews) would "deny" the Armenian holocaust or the fact that the Nazi regime imprisoned and killed lots and lots of non-Jewish people too.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
07 May 2005
If by deny the holocaust, you mean the armenian holocuast and the wholesale slaughter of serbs, slavs, queers, socialists, gypsies in germany... then yes, let's protest those zionist bastards!

**Fuck you Matt Williams. How is it anti-semetic to criticize zionism?
You make no sense
07 May 2005
Zionist have nothing to do with the Nazis killing a whole bunch of people other than jews, and the jews at this rememberence aren't all zionist and not all zionists are jews...

You make no sense conflating US Jews with right wing Israeli policies, hell a lot of Israelis oppose the right wing hunta ruling there now. see http://israel.indymedia.org

Please...
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
08 May 2005
Did I once use the word jew in my last post? No... My god, can you even read?

This event is racist for two reasons:
1) It commemorates holocaust dead and yet only seems to mention the dead jews.
2) It is a fundraiser for zionist propaganda.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
08 May 2005
Hey Al: How far do you have your head up your butt? Clearly you have no idea that the Nazis killed people from all over the world, including Armenian Jews in the Camps...And ahemmm if you say Zionist, just who would be Zionist and not conceivably be Jewish or a Jewish supporter, you Anti-Semitic jerk????
I live in a community where there are Armenian Americans and they get it that the Shoah is about everyone Jewish and Non-Jewish that was murdered. Why don't you.
I am truly shocked at the crap being posted. And the clearly Anti-Jewish crap. And just for those of you who don't know it...not all Jews are Zionists. And you don't have to be a Zionist to support and love Jewish people.
Shalom,
G
Hey Gitl
08 May 2005
Basically your claim is that zionism and judaism are one. Yet, for a zionist, you know very little about your own history. Historically, zionism was very unpopular among jews, especially working class jews. Jews who did not buy into the identity politics of zionism were loud and many.

So for you to arrogantly claim that zionism and judaism are the same, or that if you are against one you must be against the other, then you sir do not even know your own history.

Furthermore, most zionists are not jews, but even if they were, it would not be racist to be opposed to zionism. Rather, zionists and the like are racist.
Hey Al
08 May 2005
I'm pretty sure the point was that in reality jews and zionist are very distinct groups.

The way the WR folk use the term Zionist however they mean Jew, nothing more nothing less. They love to throw out the plight of the palestinians as a point against all Jews (despite the number of jews in israel and out who side with the the palestinian people), and at the same time rant endlessly about the Arabs, I wonder howmany WR folks could tell the difference between arabs and palestinians except when it suits them to divide (or attempt to divide) their opposition...
Update: Nazis in Boston
08 May 2005
1st - 80% of American Jews are NOT Zionists. I know many American Jews, and I have only met a few Zionists. Most Jews can't stand Zionists either, they are terrorists.

2nd - The Nazis want you to show up! Stirs controversy, and gets them on the news. When you show up to protest and be loud, you play into their hand. A better protest would be to get the entire town to show up, and quietly surround their protest and simply turn your backs to it. The next best option is to have no one show up. But to confront them is to do right what they want.

3rd - With that said, where are the updates.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
08 May 2005
My apologies, Big Al, but frankly your post was worded in an unclear way and I didn't know how to interpret it--and given all the Nazis posting to this site, I'm not going to sit around and play games and leaving something that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic up. If you're going to post here, please write in a way that it's clear what you mean.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
08 May 2005
Thousands of people have been (and are) detained, tortured, deported and denied their rights in this country post 9/11 (and before) , if people are so passionate about what happened to Nazi victims, why aren't there such passionate displays against the detentions and torture and deportations going on today, what the nazis did to many is being done in palestine by the very group that says never again, ..does never again only mean never again to Jewish people?
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
08 May 2005
Re: Big Al et al:
Try reading my posting again...I said that you don't have to be a Zionist to be a Jew. Got that now? As for Palestinians...ahem...my ancestors were Palestinians too. Next: too many people hide their Anti-Semitism behind their politics and you don't have to be a facist to do that. You can be a b.s. artist of a left-wing poseur(fake).
As always Peace...for some that means the word Shalom!
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
09 May 2005
Hi Gitl. Maybe you didn't realize this, but the JCRC supports the *celebration* of Al Nakbe Day, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, this coming May 15. That makes them Zionist, racist, and pro-genocide. I hope folks will be as diligent about protesting this hate group.
http://www.bostonisraelaction.com/events.htm

The JCRC is more dangerous than the neo-Nazis because they are giving political cover to a racist nuclear armed state actually still carrying out genocide this very moment and for the last 57 years.

Many Jews do reject Zionism, but in most cases, they find they get iced out of their congregations and community, disowned by family members in some cases, called "self-hating," and no longer considered "Jewish" by many Zionists, etc. It is pretty difficult for Jews to stand against the full project of Zionism - the settler colonial state founded on another people's land - but there certainly are those that do it and they deserve credit. The Israeli anarchists are about the only really non-Zionist, thus truly anti-racist, peace activists in Israel apart from the Palestinians living in Israel. They get live ammunition used on them by the IDF and they definitely deserve praise for their principles and courage.

Most of the Israeli "peace movement" maintains racist conditions, such as limits on the right of return and wanting a two-state solution (which is actually one nuclear armed state side-by-side with some carved up bantustans, seperated by "Jewish Only" bypass roads,) and allowing the second class status of Palestinians living in Israel to remain unchallenged.

Many Jews have refused to go to Israel because they are anti-Zionist. Zionists have no business hijacking either the faith of Judaism or the ethnic heritage of the European Jewish community.

I am pretty sure that most of the people killed by the Nazis were Slavs and Russians, though it is not clear that the numbers are the most important thing. Ideally, all would be remembered as well as all victims of US genocides. Somehow, most people don't even know about the ewthnic cleansing of Slavs. _A Little Matter of Genocide_ by Ward Churchill gives a pretty clear overview of the Nazi death machine, the wholey debunked literature of the Holocaust deniers and the Zionist Holocaust literature that seems to deny all genocides other than that targeted at European Jews by the Nazis. Unfortunately, genocide is not so unique.

On top of this, it is problematic to hijack the suffering of Jewish people to promote a genocide against another people. This becomes even more hypocritical in the face of the fact that the Zionists acutally refused to participate in the world boycott against the Nazi state and they collaborated with the Nazis. (See Lenni Brenner for documentation.)

But what is sad is that people who recognize why Nazism is wrong and who censor posts because they fear "anti-semitism" are not as well educated or concerned about "anti-semitism" towards the other semites, the Arabs, and fail to see that Zionism is an equally odious ideology founded on European Jewish supremacy. European Jews certainly received horendous and obviously unjustifiable cruelty and butchery under the Nazis. But does then that make it ok for Zionists to, in the name of world Jewery, carry out a program and process of genocide founded on the same sick ideology?

We must all work for never again for anyone. We all deserve better in this world and I believe we can do it if we try. We need the peace of mutual respect and tolerance, not the "peace" of genocide completed.
Update: Nazis in Boston
09 May 2005
1st - 80% of American Jews are NOT Zionists. I know many American Jews, and I have only met a few Zionists. Most Jews can't stand Zionists either, they are terrorists.

2nd - The Nazis want you to show up! Stirs controversy, and gets them on the news. When you show up to protest and be loud, you play into their hand. A better protest would be to get the entire town to show up, and quietly surround their protest and simply turn your backs to it. The next best option is to have no one show up. But to confront them is to do right what they want.

3rd - With that said, where are the updates.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
09 May 2005
1people1planet -

If you define Zionist as "supports the idea of a Jewsih homeland in Palestine", certainly many active and vocal Jews are quite Zionist and have a role in silencing Palestine all the way from the White House down to the antiwar movement. Many Jews, particularly young, do not identify with Israel according to studies. Anyhow, what is the source of your 80% and what exaclty was the polling question? Because you realize that the Likud and Brit T'Zedek are both versions of Zionism, right? Brit T'Zedek is just for the kinder gentler version of the racism that Likud supports.

As far as the argument that the Nazis want attention, that is understandable. But if people do choose to confront them, it is out of a different belief, that racists should be confronted, not out of wanting to amplify the Nazis - at least based on people I know who confront them.

But it is a valid point that the Nazis have so little power that confronting may give them more voice than they otherwise would have. Committed anti-racists I know share this view.

In the case of the Zionists and the US imperialists, however, this is not the case as they have plenty of voice already. These must be confronted.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
09 May 2005
I have hardly met two jews who are not zionists and I have to remind myself everyone I meet a jewish person to not think they are zionists unless proven and unfortunately most times i discover they are. I agree with
Salaam that it may depend on how you define zionism, anyone who believes in the right of the colonial settlement of aparthied israel to exist as a jewish only state is a zionist. israel has no right to exist, israel indepedence day is a racist celebration much like columbus day which is also a hoiday in boston, in longwood medical area beth israel temple displays a big sign on jamaica way and longwood corner which is seen by hundreds everyday saying, WE support israel in her quest for peace, i am not sure israel ever was involved in any quest for peace so in the absence of that, the sign basically means, we support the apartheid state of israel and her agenda of ethnic cleansing in the name of war on terror and peace.
Re: Update: Nazis in Boston. They Shall Not Pass.
09 May 2005
I have never seen so much hatred on one list, masquerading as political thought. Get used to the idea of Israel existing, because it won't go away. I say this as a Non-Zionist.
What I am for is peace and safety for all people and that means ALL PEOPLE.
Very few of you have even bothered to mention the Holocaust in your postings.
And figure it out...my ancestors are also Palestinian. Because that's what the name of that area was. And I am Sephard which means that I am an Arabic Jew.

When the Arab World guarantees the safety of Jews in the Arab World then we can all scream and yell and holler about how Israel's Policies suck. Which they do.

But I don't see any place in the Arab world guaranteeing the safety of their minority peoples either. And that includes Jews, Sufis and Christians. As for all of the rhetoric. As bad as things are in the West Bank. And again I say that I am opposed to Israel Occupation of the area...
It would be alot easier to listen to the Arabic side of this issue if it wasn't so heavily laced with downright hatred of Jews.
That's pretty much all I see in these postings.
And never, ever assume by the way that there aren't Jews who don't care what happens to Arabs.
The Arab world is as much a part of my ancestry as is the Jewish world.
The Nazis aren't going to care if you are an Arab. Jew, Black, White. They will kill everyone that they can get their hands on.
Why? Pure and simple racial hatred.
And Arab hatred of Jews is also this kind of hatred.
As by the way is Israeli hatred of Arabs.
So I wouldn't be so effing quick to go on and on about Israel.
It's the least America's problems at the moment. Even though serious problems are happening in Israel.
I'd worry about Geo Jr. and his buddies in the Right Wing Christian Movement who probably all have pictures of Adolph H somewhere in their houses.
And why oh why must horror and pain be compared?
It all hurts, whether it's the Shoah. The Armenian Genocide or the Palestian West Bank.
And it all needs to stop doesn't it?
Shalom as in Peace You All!