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Announcement :: Organizing
Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
24 Jul 2005
Modified: 08:36:12 PM
The next meeting to plan the fall march and rally on the Boston Common will be:
Sunday, July 31 - 4pm
Phillips Brooks House
Parlor Room, First Floor
in Harvard Yard
Harvard University
(Harvard Stop on the Red Line T)
This building is near the Science Center
The next meeting to plan the fall march and rally on the Boston Common will be:
Sunday, July 31 - 4pm
Phillips Brooks House
Parlor Room, First Floor
in Harvard Yard
Harvard University
(Harvard Stop on the Red Line T)
This building is near the Science Center

Updates-
There appears to be a general agreement around the proposed October 29 date.

It has also been proposed that the protest have a dual focus on war abroad/war at home issues.
The tentative slogan is "Bring the Troops Home Now. Feed Our Communities, Starve the Pentagon."

Again-
This event is being organized on the principle of non-exclusion. All individuals and progressive organizations who are willing to work together to oppose the war in action are welcome. For real.

Come see for yourself this Sunday.

Check the links for more info.
See also:
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/39472/index.phpTh
http://bringthetroopshomenow.com/NextMeeting.htm

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ITS A TRAP!
24 Jul 2005
troops out now coalition, like answer and the iac are a front for the (pro-baath, pro-n. korean govt, pro-milosevic) stalinist workers world party. but everyone knows that by now, right?
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
24 Jul 2005
IAC Boston will probably be a part of the Oct 29 Coalition as will many other groups. They did not initiate this coalition. In fact, we have not even begun calling this a coalition yet because we don't feel that we have enough of a consensus among the anti-war community to do that.
This is not a trap.
Nobody owns this event.
Yes, there will be "liberals" pushing moderation
And there will be the "stalinists" that cause you to post rabid comments without knowing the facts.
And there will hopefully be some anarchists who can get on the stage and present their views and reach out to a new audience instead of being sidelined.

Come to the meeting sunday.
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
25 Jul 2005
Now, most of the small nazi groups are anti-war, as they see it as an israeli operation. Would they be welcome?
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
25 Jul 2005
No see, because genocidal totalitarian commies are on the "left", while genocidal totalitarian nazis are on the "right". See how useful binary political definitions are for determining who's a good ally!
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
From the way that this is worded, it seems that the neo-nazis, minutemen, Fred Phelps, and other hate groups will be included, as they are "technically" anti-war.

Apparently. whoever published this decided to ignore my comments at the meeting.

And, although I wouldn't put it so harshly, I tend to agree with El Poco here. Totalitarianism, whether or not it's genocidal, is evil. I don't give a damn if they're on the "left" or the "right".
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
Oh shit. Never mind. I just realized that El Poco's comment was sarcastic in nature.
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
Sholom,

To answer your question. The principle of non-exclusion applies to PROGRESSIVE groups and organizations.
I seriously doubt that any nazi groups will try to enter the coalition. If any do try... well, we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

I thought we discussed this?
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
ps

I agree that totalitarianism, whether left or right is evil. The totalitarianism we a facing today is that of Bush and the ruling class of americaca.

There are absolutely no leftist groups in this country today that are poised to impose totalitarianism (unless you consider the Democratic party leftist). Trends within communism that could lead to this exist on such a small scale that their theat to freedom is non-existent when compared to the threat we are facing from the government TODAY.

Someday we may have to face the possibility of fighting a "leftist" authoritarian government. But that is a battle for tomorrow and in my opinion is as likely as the possibility of having to fight a Martian invasion.
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
Anarchists should stick to their principles and refuse to work with any muslim because their religion oppresses women.Who cares if about round-ups, detentions, and war on the entire middle east.
No Gods, No Masters right?
Stick to your guns and stand sullenly on the fringe. We all know that mass actions accomplish nothing.
it is an underreported historical fact that the 8 hour day was won though determined use of vegan potlucks and zine libraries.
"PROGRESSIVE" the defining factor?
26 Jul 2005
okay. define what's progressive about stalinism. or anarchism. or progressivism. what the fuck do you even mean by that? also, in what sense is this a mass "action"?
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
26 Jul 2005
The only thing in my comment that was sarcastic was the idea of "left" and "right". Sure, maybe they are usefull as abstract constructs, but anyone who is truely anti-war must find themselves against war both by western capitalist/imperialists, muslim theocrats, and leninist/stalinist beaurocracies.

And yes, the authoritarian leftists groups influence now is minimal. But that's not how movements work. As the war in Iraq gets worse and worse, opposition, like a floodgate, will erupt. Might I recommend 'Obsolete Communism: The Left-Wing Alternative' for the best account of how marginal authoritarian commie groups can still serve as a means of counter-revolution more powerful than even the police.

Don't assume that their numeric weakness means they are harmless. As revolutionary fervor awakens in this country, they will quickly jump from being irrelevent to being an active parasite. If we continue to remain ignorant of the mistakes of history, we are cursed to repeat them.
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
27 Jul 2005
Nick - We discussed this, I'm still a little apprehensive though. Call me paranoid.

Mr. Sarcastic - The phrase "anarchists should" implies that I, as an anarchist, need to obey your authority. Sorry, can't do that. I'm anti-authoritarian.

"No Gods, No Masters" has pretty much been retired as an anarchist slogan. most anarchists are not looking to abolish religion, merely the authoritarian aspects of it. Nice of you stereotype Muslims though. Frankly, IMHO, "western" culture is far more oppressive to women than Islam. It is, however, quite interesting how before it was "due time" to make war on Afghanistan, we heard nothing about the Taliban's attitude towards women. Tells you something about mainstream feminists, huh?

As for vegan potlucks and zine libraries, allow me to quote Emma Goldman. If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

FLIPSIDE (We all know it's you) - Progressive defines those groups who work with an eye to the future (anarchists, communists, socialists) rather than attempting to bring us back to a "bygone utopia" (Stalinists, Republicans, Democrats).

El Poco - I agree with you. Unlike most "leftists" I refuse to take a stand in support of "freedom fighters". I am against all war. Remember, the "leftists" were somehow able to "justify" Stalin's invasion of Finland and of Poland, his alliance with Hitler, Pol Pot's genocidal campaign, Idi Amin's actions, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
um so, three things
29 Jul 2005
1.) i'm not flipside, and
2.) i dont believe in some teleological, colonizing western notion of "progress". since u-topos means "no place" there are no utopias in the future or the past. but i look to both.
3.) no one has explained yet why anti-iraq-war totalitarian internationalist socialists (wwp) are better than anti-iraq-war totalitarian nationalist socialists (nazis).
Re: Next Planning Meeting for October 29 Antiwar Event
30 Jul 2005
1) Sorry about that.

2) When I say utopia, I am referring to a eutopia rather than a dystopia. But you are right, there are no past utopias. I, personally, do not use the term progressive. Hitler was "progressive" too.

3) In my book, no difference. All totalitarianism is bad. However, if we agree on many issues and they do not adopt an authoritarian stance with me, then I am willing to work with them.