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Announcement :: Human Rights
Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
23 Jan 2006
ATTENTION ANTI-RACISTS:

National Rally Against Islamofascism Day!
(R.A.I.D.)
Wednesday, February 1, 2006

We are calling on all concerned Americans across the nation to gather their friends and head down to their local busy street corner with flags and signs on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 as we launch the first National Rally Against Islamofascism Day.

MASSACHUSETTS:
- Boston
At the Capitol Steps/Boston Common
Time: 12:00 Noon

****

All Boston anti-racists should be on high alert on February 1. These are dangerous vigilantes with intentions to inflict harm on Muslim communities and instigate hatred and violence town by town.

They advocate armed attacks against Muslims within the USA:

"[We] know the importance of the 2nd Amendment to protect our nation. We must protect our nation now from threats which exist within our borders."

They advocate more state and snitch surveillance of Muslim immigrants:

"The U.A.C. strives to accomplish the following goals...to encourage our government and all of America to monitor more closely, immigrant followers of Islam coming from countries with high levels of Islamic extremism."

And it looks like they work closely with government agencies like the FBI Counterterrorism Division and the Department of Homeland Security.

Let's be there to greet them...
See also:
http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/rally.htm

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Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
23 Jan 2006
Great, Homeland security is raising right wing militias to lynch the millions of human beings in the way of Israeli aparthied expansion. Just what we needed to distract us from the Zionist coup in progress.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
There is no contact information given for this group's Boston rally, and we haven't dealt with them here before. This Indymedia post is probably advertising their rally as much as anything. People who are used to doing antifa stuff know when not to serve as a megaphone for groups like this--if you want to counter-organize, do it among your friends, allies and neighbors, so your organizing isn't simultaneously firing up and exciting the people you're going out to oppose.

I'm sorry to doubt motives, but I wonder whether this is just an error on the part of whoever excitedly posted the news, or whether this is actually posted by rally organizers in hopes of drumming up controversy and thus publicity.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
Who is the UAC ?
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
yeah,how about some deeper counter intelligence, antifas?
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
seriously. if some little fringe group calls a protest, first step is to RESEARCH them. also a hint, when some of these Soldier of Fortune types imply they work closely with Homeland Security, don't take them at face value--they're probably just talking about calls they make to public snitch lines. how well are the publicizing it? on their internet website? on other internet websites? putting up fliers? out canvassing, trying to recruit and organize a base? forming coalitions with other right wing groups? no? then why do that for them?

if some little internet-based group it trying to have their local public debut, and it really seems (as it does in this case) like it's gonna be three angry white guys in sweatpants and offensive signs, just quietly get a dozen friends, go in a group to their protest, take pictures of them for your file, follow them to their cars, record their license plates, and defend yourself if they try to start shit. you're doing the opposite of that right now.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
Awww, isn't that cute. The trolls didn't get the comments they wanted (Damn fashists! Lets kick there asses!), so they're trying to stir up a fight. Such adorable little attention-seeking xenophobes.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
How is this different than protesting the white pride people who never even showed up? TWICE!!

Why WOULDN'T we want to draw publicity to the fact that because of the lies printed and broadcast by the mainstream media, grassroots hate groups are organizing to intimidate Muslims?

If the crowd protesting these folks isn't as big as the one that protested the 3 neo-nazis from Podunk New Hampshire then soemthing is seriously wrong with the so-called "antifa" movement.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
Speaking as someone who's been following the clique you're talking about pretty much since its inception, I didn't even bother to go out on MLK day. Why? Because I'd done what 'iron council' is advising enough times to those particular guys that I knew there was a pretty good chance they'd be a no-show, and even if they did show up it'd be the few usual suspects. They're not dynamic organizers, they're not going anywhere right now. On the other hand, when their fuhrer was coming up from Arkansas last spring, my friends and I poured energy into making things happen, because we knew (from our research) that they'd attract allies from throughout New England, and get a lot of press attention owing to the particular event they were trying to hijack.

Counter-organizing against these people means specific tactics at specific times: sometimes, quiet private actions with close friends; sometimes forming and participating in broad-based community coalitions to oppose them; sometimes trying to get tons of antifascist militants to travel and show up to oppose them with numbers and if necessary force. I agree with 'iron council' that this, based solely on the evidence presented here, is a much better candidate for the first tactic--or I would add possibly the second--than the third, which seems to be what this announcement is, calling as it does for "antifa" specifically rather than just people who want to stand in solidarity with Muslim people in America.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
Hey Fresh, thanks for the thoughtful response. I must take issue though. I think it's clear to most activists that fascism in some form has been on the rise in the U.S. in the form of the Bush administration and his loyal democratic opposition.

This fascism embodied best by the Patriot Act is most antithetical to Muslims, since it was essentially a reaction to 9-11 a crime allegedly masterminded by a Muslim.

The media fan the flames of hatred towards Muslims by publicizing not just government propaganda but fear-mongering stories of their own about the Islamic menace.

And we're supposed to let a group of gun happy macho bigots stand on a corner in the middle of Boston and fan the flames against our Muslim friends and family?

No one is saying that we're going to get these guys on the local news--AS IF! What you should remember is that no one likes Nazis. And thank god they love the swastika so much otherwise they might be harder to identify.

Fat white guys in sweatpants may be ugly, but they are not Nazis. People will stop and talk to them. What they say will resonate with what the people have been hearing and reading in the news. " No swastika? No problem! I'll hear what this guy has to say!"

You're either antifa for the cameras, or you're antifa all the time--I'm kind of boggled by the contradiction here!
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
"You're either antifa for the cameras, or you're antifa all the time--I'm kind of boggled by the contradiction here!"

please tell me what muslem and arab groups you're working with on this. otherwise i'm gonna have to lump this call under "antifa for the cameras." i dont mean to be devisive, it just doesnt seem very much thought through...
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
You make it sound like I'm saying you shouldn't be organizing anything against them.

I'm saying the opposite of that. I'm advising you to do your research, choose your tactics shrewdly, and if they're more than just a flash in the pan, try to build a coalition that will last and that will win.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
sorry fresh it did seem that you were agreeing to some extent with iron council that this call was more helpful to the brownshirts than it would be to simply ignore them. because if posting these things is to be considered, as iron council suggests, advertising for fringe hate group wannabes, then we are eliminating indymedia as a tool for activists who don't have 15 minions at the ready any time they need backup, and that seems to me to be helping the brownshirts...
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
24 Jan 2006
Yeah, I wasn't completely agreeing with iron council I guess.

The lack of 15 minions is a core problem.
Kill My Kids, Please
24 Jan 2006
"I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland."

Why didn't she blow herself up? More fun watching the kiddies explode?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1536576

Suicide Bombers' Mother Runs in Palestinian Elections

GAZA, Jan. 24, 2006 — Mariam Farahat, who is running as a candidate in Wednesday's Palestinian parliamentary elections, can work a crowd like a veteran politician — shaking hands and greeting supporters. When she gets on the stage at a Hamas rally, she is the star attraction. She is one of Hamas's most popular candidates.

In Gaza, Farahat is known as Um Nidal, or Mother of the Struggle — a mother who sent three of her six sons on Hamas suicide missions against Israeli targets.

"We consider it holy duty," she told ABC News. "Our land is occupied. You take all the means to banish the occupier. I sacrificed my children for this holy, patriotic duty. I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland. The greater interest takes precedence to the personal interest."

She is most famous for being in a Hamas video that showed her 17-year-old how to attack Israelis and told him not to return. Shortly afterward, he killed five students in a Jewish settlement before he was killed himself.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
can you imagine what you would think if some of the serial killers and psychopaths "the west" / "the christian world" has produced were taken as representative?
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
"can you imagine what you would think if some of the serial killers and psychopaths "the west" / "the christian world" has produced were taken as representative?"

Following the lead of Hamas, Charlie Manson will be running for Congress in 2008. Charlie became famous for the massacre of a well known family. he then carved a swastika in his forehead. "I can understand how proud that palestinian woman is for killing her own kids, I wish I'd thought of that" Charlie said
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
If you're going to read propaganda on ABC news, why don't you also read about the other Palestinian candidates?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4145783.stm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/12/2/153616.shtml

Oh, wait. I guess it's fair for mainstream to focus on the worst Palestinian candidate possible and highlight that... To incite some understanding of the conflict there, for sure. Because sending your kids off to kill Afghan children is better than making your kids suicide bombmers. Oh, no, wait. What about using chemical weapons against civilians in Fallujah? Oh, no wait. What about dropping a nuclear weapon on an ENTIRE CITY and getting rid of 100,000 people at once? And then, doing it again...

Are you guys sheep or something? I think only people who are willing to think and read between the lines should be allowed to post on this site instead of regurgitating mainstream news.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
thanks brainchewer. try as they might, there are still many americans who cannot hide their deep-seated hatred and mistrust of Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, Jews, Black People, etc. It doesn't matter what they say their politics are--some people just can't or won't let go of the biases they absorb from their parents, the TV, moneyed interest group propaganda efforts, etc. most people seem to want to identify with some kind of victims in order to give their own crimes some moral jsutification. it's really very sad, since so many who think they are open-minded and tolerant are in fact OK with all sorts of abuses, so long as they don't happen to their favorite tribe/in-group/etc. it's shitty on both sides, and to see how people on all sides try to enlist the as yet uninformed on their side is nothing short of sickening.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
Okay, this thread is not going to be the place to argue support for or opposition to anti-Arab racism and anti-Muslim prejudice. Ignore the trolls entirely, keep talking about tactics.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
"This Indymedia post is probably advertising their rally as much as anything. People who are used to doing antifa stuff know when not to serve as a megaphone for groups like this--if you want to counter-organize, do it among your friends, allies and neighbors, so your organizing isn't simultaneously firing up and exciting the people you're going out to oppose."

So let me get this straight-- you don't think there should have been a big hullaballoo over the African Meeting House demo either, or was that OK? Because I think by your logic the website and posts about that probably created 50 new Nazis... Are you saying, tactics wise, that we should only post to indymedia calls for counterprotests of well-established fascist groups? And if the person who found out about this doesn't have any antifa friends he or she should have kept quiet about it? I actually checked this out and it seems that there is a fair amount of awareness of this RAID day thing among the more mainstream right-wing sites. Also, i've heard a lot more casual take on the street derisive of muslims and "islamofascists" than any other minority group--how can you, as an antifa, not think there is a serious anti-muslim problem in the US? it sure sounds like you're saying ignore the hate and it will go away, and we all know that's miracle-gro for fascism....

Look on this thread and you can see that anti-muslim hate is being encouraged not just by fat skinheads but also by svelte zionists. don't we owe our arab and muslim fellow citizens as hearty a defense as was received by the holocaust memorial? can you see why that would be sending a VERY important message about tolerance and unity?
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
Three Nazis fake a protest to get the Anarchos to come out and act like assholes and rep a fringe group? Or is it three anarchos imagine some fake nazis to rep their own fringe group.

I am certainly confused.

One thing is certain. White people are sure making asses of themselves in the black neighborhood.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
I showed up at both rallies. The rainy one and the cold one. I came with one other guy. I don't have these dozens of "minions" you guys are talking about. We actually took down a license plate from New Hampshire during the first Nazi thing. What do I do with it now Coucil? Ask my local police to tell me who it belongs to so I can add them to the jerk list? By the way "Huh", a couple (like a dozen) guys did show up at the rainy one. They were stopped by the jackboots before they got down to us and got arrested and put into the jackboot's wagons. This is what I heard anyway, I had already left when the guy with the funny hat with all the pins in it started talking. He's all over the place and he's good but I was just to soaked by that time.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
25 Jan 2006
Hahahaha That's Bagelman.

He's a douchebag.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
26 Jan 2006
hey don't dis the Bagel Man

my point, anyway, is that if antifa is to be antifa, it must take seriously the phenomenon of fascism, and that means having a definition for fascism that does not require the fascists to be waving swastikas. the more dangerous fascists are the ones who hide their fascism behind the "hated minority-flavor of the month" which right now happens to be muslims and arabs.

If we don't express antifa solidairty across the spectrum, if we don't encourage civil confrontations with fascists of every stripe, we play into their hands. and yes, if there is left any doubt, I AM saying that the Jewish antifa crowd has to do more to support arab and muslim victims of hate, (and vice versa for that matter)

Criticizing the ONE call for action against a widespread anti-muslim campaign so soon after a series of successful anti-Nazi efforts just struck me as a little depressing in terms of the busting of walls, which antifas should be doing literally AND figuratively...

i hope it's clear i'm writing this in the interest of real understanding and solidarity, and that criticism and suggestions be offered in the same spirit...
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
26 Jan 2006
I think you're way out of line when you allege that my and IC's criticism of this tactic (hearing about something and, instead of doing research, immediately turning around and reposting it on IMC calling for a counter-rally) is rooted in not having a comprehensive enough understanding of fascism or thinking this isn't as important as opposing National Socialist leftovers. I think in this time and place these people are much more likely to make connections and garner sympathy. Taking them seriously means taking them seriously, not just immediately throwing a call up on IMC, which in Boston seems to be read by as many right wingers as anarchists, communists, etc.

I stopped long ago answering calls for rallies by anonymous lone rangers or groups that don't exist.

Like I very clearly said, I wasn't at the MLK demo, because I know who those kids are and I know they're fuckups. I was in touch with people who were monitoring their recruitment efforts in Haverhill and I wasn't particularly worried.

I'm not Jewish so drop this "the Jewish antifa crowd" baiting bullshit.

Don't call for a rally without doing more research than this. Period. That's all I'm saying.
Re: Anti-Muslim Racists Rallying in Boston 2/1
26 Jan 2006
how do you know whoever posted this didn't do any research? you're not giving any good reasons for why this call should not be taken seriously. and though I never said you were Jewish, you're welcome to think i'm baiting just because i brought up the issue of antifa being more popular among Jewish people when it focuses on overt nazis than when it targets generic grassroots fascism. If you think this rises to the level of racism (or else what do you mean by baiting) then you really need to examine your own biases, from wherever you got them.