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Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
26 Jan 2006
Jaime and Jonathan must go!
As we have previously exposed, the petit-bourgeois dilettante faction of the Boston IMC editorial collective are becoming the outspoken advocates for racist, imperialist right-wing propaganda on Indymedia. Jaime and Jonathan want to make sure that every anti-arab, anti-black and anti-woman racist has their say in Boston IMC's forums. Let's not confuse the point with demagogic appeals to "free speech": Indymedia is a voice for the left and the workers movement. But Boston IMC is threatened by two factors: Jaime and Jonathan, the conscious agents of the right who want to turn Boston IMC into a mirror site for Frontpage.com and Free Republic, and the rest of the collective which is disoriented by their liberal idealism which makes them vulnerable to Jaime and Jonathan's disingenuous appeals.

Expel Jaime and Jonathan, agents of racism and reaction! Build Boston IMC into a forum for the left and workers movement!

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Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
26 Jan 2006
can you provide specific examples?

I do think that we should allow counter views so that they can be refuted rather than just ignoring them and hoping they go away.

You seem to be one of the very few clamoring for more censorship (though many want *faster* editing of the trolling we normally do hide)

as I'm sure you know now Jamie and I are the ones who got this article unhidden...for those who aren't lurking on the editorial list. This article was originally hidden as a personal attack which is against policy. I pointed out that this does reflect on our "public" and "official" actions and should be discussed, Jamie concured so here it is, I'm even tried to see if I could reset the time stamp so it went back to the top of the newswire...but couldn't figure that one out
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
26 Jan 2006
yay! more troll crap to gunk up the newswire. do you people ever get tired of critiquing things that you could actually be working to constructively change?
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
Do you people actually think that you're going to change anything? Most of you simply need to grow up amd change your childish anarchist philosophy that appears to boil to down "woe are we...we're so oppressed." You live in the most prosperous country in the world with boundless opportunity to help yourself and others. Go out and do something with your lives instead of whining about how bad you have it.
Speaking of cliques...
27 Jan 2006
While I am no fan of resolutely right-wing, neo-nazi, Larouchian, or "so that's why I'm wearing this tin-foil helmet" garbage either-- in fact, I wish it was never, ever on this site, I am also not a fan of people who throw around terms like "petit-bourgeois dilettante faction" like (ahem) Mr. Trotsky and propose censorship. In fact, I'd go further and venture a crazy, wild guess that the vast majority of people who visit this IMC never use such outdated, strange terms to describe anybody as the ones above-- nobody talks that way except the sad and yet creepy stragglers at the local feuding Communist Parties in Cambridge, and I know for a fact that absolutely no one, and I mean NO ONE, cares what they have to say.
Harsh? Perhaps. True? Yes.

As for "Jonathan and Jaime," I don't know who those people are and I don't really care. Sometimes, as an outsider to all this in-fighting, I get the impression that this entire IMC-- its editorial collective, supporters, and even trolls-- all dwell in some little college or village where everybody knows everybody and their business. Is this the Boston "activist community"? Is it really that silly as a whole?

Down with "Jonathan and Jaime," you say? Um... well, "Trotsky," what say about we worry about, I don't know, changing our system of government or business or even just giving the boot to someone almost all of can agree on hating-- and all we know-- a certain evil, rich bastard called "Dubya."

But then maybe I've been snookered by a troll. Maybe no one is actually, honestly proposing this censorship and this is just a way of getting people to defend the neo-nazis and their right to post-- posted by a troll... I mean, I do hate seeing all this "Cleaves Publishing" and Holocaust Revisionist bullshit... And I do hate all these trolls..." Veteran," I'm looking in your direction...

All I know is that anybody leading a charge for censorshiop, flying under the verbal colors that "Trotsky" is, does not have my support as an IMC viewer. Furthermore, I think this IMC and the others are too good as ideas to be destroyed by Jaime, Jonathan, Leon Trotsky, Flipside, or any right-winger. Just because they might really, really piss me off doesn't mean I'm going to stop visiting the site.
Sid is a fucking moron.
27 Jan 2006
"You live in the most prosperous country in the world with boundless opportunity to help yourself and others."

False: Iceland, Norway and a few other countries are more prosperous than the U.S.

We are helping ourselves and others. The only way to do that is to oppose the Government.
Clarification
27 Jan 2006
I'm "Jonathan", Jamie and I are both members of the editorial group and both tend to argue for less hiding or questionable articles than some others, on the basis that many such posts, while offensive and perhaps in conflict with some policies, contain wide spread view points that are better countered than ingnored (at least that's my position). The internal discussion is actulally rather civil and not at all reflective Comrad Trotsky's tone.

He does apparently subscribe to boston-editorial since his out bursts are largely timed to these discussions and uses teh names attached to our emails on that list rather than our usernames that appear on this site.

The list and archives are public http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-editorial so this is no great feat.

If anyone has great ideas on how to get rid of the crap while still addressing all sides of complex and volitile issues like the israeli/palestine conflict please do join the list and let us know...
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
I know how we can settle this...drop this annoying discussion and start talking about something of value, such as the 9/11 truth movement's claims that the attacks of 9/11 were planned and orchestrated by elements of the United States government. The concept alone leaves both the right and the left in seemingly perpetual vertigo. It's time to not only seperate the right from the "left", but the "left" from the true progressive...aka "radical".

9/11 was indeed an inside job, maybe we should begin focusing on the mother issue of our time. It's a sure-fire way to stop all this stupid, petty, highschool-style arguing.
Look Gaylord
27 Jan 2006
I, the exalted personality called Flipside am not a right winger. Right Wingers are not atheists. They are not hip hop producers. They do not cavort on anarcho-leftist "news" services. I am not a right or left enthusiast. Right or left enthusiasts occupy a very short linear bipolar attention space.

For christ's sake at least make use of available open source information. I have met many of you dweebs in person.

You would also do well to G.T.F.U. and realize that everyone who makes fun of you does not reside at the polar end of a solidarity spectrum. Some of you halflings are quite skillful, were your brains to be turned off using a Windex injection, and your mindlessly repetitive tendencies hijacked for a much more natural cause, such as anarcho-capitalism, individualism, or just plain (my) amusement.
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
This is simple. The Trots are control-nuts. They'll use simple language (imperialist, anti-woman, racist, and of course, petit-bourgeois) to get everyone to agree with them. I mean, we ARE all against those things, right? So what happens is the Trots manipulate the "Left" till they're in a position of power, and then we get their authoritarian "but it's really for the workers" bullshit.

Take a look at the other indymedias. This doesn't happen. There's news, information, and once in awhile a troll that everyone ignores, so she/he goes away.
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
I don't think Boston IMC has more trolls than other IMCs... I think editing the site (which is not an easy thing!) it's a clever balance between hiding posts that are meant solely to be disruptive and letting trolls just be. One would hope they eventually would get bored. But it's hard to draw the line, and that's why the BIMC collective is constantly checking w/each other to make sure we keep that balance in place.
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
just like a communist to call for censorship. free speech is not racism or any of that bullshit. go back to selluing newspapers.
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
27 Jan 2006
"9/11 truth movement" LOL

it cuts across left and right to the extent that there are gullible-but-paranoid dipshits in both categories.
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
28 Jan 2006
Why not make the news wire longer than my unit. That way the site would not be structuraly censored. thier would be more room for everyone and less need for " Faster "editing"" which I think is what creates trolls because when you hide my stuff it f-ing pisses me off!

I can intellengently and creativly destroy any piece of BS posted on the news wire so i really dont need you protecting anyone or any PC idea for me.

Its hard to believe some people here have ever spent any time on the streets of an empire with a big sign betraying the nation with the unpopular and reviled truth.

There is a problem with the site and its Censorship of controversial ideas or provacations that could easly be exposed and ridicluded or taken to thier logical conclusions or undermined for thier hipocracy. if thier was more space thier would be less pressure fior censorship.
That was a run-on sentence.
28 Jan 2006
"There is a problem with the site and its Censorship of controversial ideas or provacations that could easly be exposed and ridicluded or taken to thier logical conclusions or undermined for thier hipocracy."
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
29 Jan 2006
The first and only IMC website to bar me from uploading was IMC DC. I think an editor or editors got peeved when I sent a screen-capture of the front page that contained my headline, which discussed the very issue of IMC censorship. I think I made them look bad through my demonstrative proof of biased censorship, but I do not need IMC DC to post anything more. I am content to just make links to my archived articles that remain hidden there, so when people arrive there in context they will see how biased they are at IMC DC.


Those who submit files that become ‘hidden’ at Indymedia Centers might actually form their own worldwide web exposing common censorship interests and other common deviations of justice.


Tell us of any experiences that may have caused you to think that Indymedia is going down hill with kangaroo court editing. What kind of get-it-off-the-front-page censorship caused you to think that an editor or editors falsely assumed to provide media that is independent of atheistic, deistic, theistic or political and corporate bias?
Re: Clique of right-wing provocateurs destroying Boston IMC
30 Jan 2006
The rats are eating their own.