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Announcement :: Politics
Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
11 Mar 2006
Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.

The United States government has waged war on Iraq for three years now, occupying the country, raping it for profit, making room for US corporate privatization, labeling the people terrorists, and trying to incite a holy civil war. In order to manufacture support for their occupation, the United States government is waging a war of disinformation against its own citizens; using the mainstream media in campaigns to manipulate and falsify facts, to deceive, and to spread their war propaganda. They want to keep us ignorant, apathetic and passive so that we won’t resist. And it has worked, until now.
Since the war started, the Anarchists of Boston have marched in a Black Bloc. The Black Bloc is a tactic that is effective for accomplishing direct action, though its potential for intimidation and alienation can have adverse effects on our public image. Furthermore, the Black Bloc has, in recent years, rarely been used for direct action in Boston. Considering Operation: Over’s month-long campaign of decentralized direct action, and the alienating nature of our usual appearance at protests, this year, BAAM! is calling for a change of tactics.
We are calling for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc, to accompany the regular anti-war march organized by the Rosa Parks Coalition. We recognize that marching could never stop this war. We will, instead, target the government’s disinformation campaign, so that tomorrow, we can stop all of the governments' wars. We will come out from behind our masks, and in our smiles and in our eyes, the people will see who we are on the inside. We are not terrorists: we are workers, students, rebels, artists, poets, brothers, sisters, teachers, and we are freedom fighters. While we are unyielding haters of oppression and authority, we are also enduring lovers of life, liberty, diversity, and community. It is time for us to show it.
The Information Bloc will work to counteract the government’s misinformation campaign by providing alternatives to their war propaganda. We will bring festiveness and life back to the Anarchist movement. Beneath our black flags, we will carry information to distribute to on-lookers, fellow protesters, and whoever else. Please bring fliers and pamphlets, banners, instruments, cameras, fact-sheets, soapboxes, signs, songs, chalk, zines, videos, and whatever other media
you can dream up to get our message across. Lets get the information to the people. Lets show them who we really are, and what we really want. To
the end of oppression, to the end of war!

-To stop this war, we must first inspire the hearts of the people, and nourish their minds. Education is the world’s greatest equalizer; we are building the foundations of a new world here, today-

In Love and Solidarity,

-BAAM!


MEET: Saturday, March 18th, at 11am, at Blue Hill Ave and Dudley Street.
Look for the black flags. Take the #15 or #45 bus from Ruggles. There will
be a rally from 11am to 1pm, then a march to Boston Common.

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Too Bad
11 Mar 2006
This is needed so much. After all, only the working class can accomplish its own liberation. Lenin's program for the Bolsheviks after his April Theses exposed the unfinished nature of the revolution that created the dual-power regime was to "patiently explain" the situation and the tasks needed to the masses.

Too bad, though that anarchism is nothing more than warmed-over left-overs from reformist social democracy, dressed up in pirate gear to make it look more "radical". Making all the "information" this bloc will be proffering obvious, if not useless.

How bout y'all take a break from your wall-climbing exercises and get some information yourselves? Study revolutionary history and break out of your anarcho-McCarthyist ghettoes. Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky were such better writers than all those anarchist cranks anyway -- they're a pleasure to read. Who can honestly say she's actually plowed her way through a Michael Albert essay without snoozing off midway?
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
12 Mar 2006
Sounds like this event is going to be big. There are some local standouts scheduled that morning at major intersections in various towns, but this is the big event in the area in conjunction with the global demos. We met at this intersection for the Rosa Parks demo and on my way there the bus driver didn't know if the intersection would be closed or not due to the crowd. The cops were prepared for a huge turnout with a fleet of bikes and cruisers, plus foot patrols. Though the turnout then was modest- maybe a few hundred people- I think this time we will definitely shut down the intersection and people all over Roxbury will be joining in the march or at least waving.

This kind of thing rarely happens in the hood. It was a great feeling encouraging people to join the march, and everyone from high schook kids to grandmas to businesses were watching with grins and power salutes as we made our way downtown. It was exhilirating, and this time I think it will be just like that only several times larger. I heard a sound system mounted on a truck going thru the neighborhood today announcing the event, and there are flyers and stickers everywhere. Let's come out with some kickass banners and music, and *demonstrate* our movement's power, diversity, excitement and values. See you all on Saturday!
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
13 Mar 2006
"After all, only the working class can accomplish its own liberation."

If that's true how come you think they need a vanguard elite of weenie college kids to lead them?
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Is poster "Leon Trotsky" serious? Are they just crazy?

Are you actually saying that Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky are more accessible than Michael Albert? What planet are you from? Planet "I have a PHD and live in 1925"?

The brilliant thing about Albert is that he mostly used language, terms and words that normal everyday people can actually understand - unlike your old dead Marxist friends from the 1900's. Not the mention that fact that Albert’s critique of plague of the old leftist coordinatorism is right on!

Go back the the 1900's Leon. I know it is pointless to talk to you since you are traped in a Trotsky cult - but for the rest of you here are some good links to some of Albert's constructive critique of the left.

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Is Socialism Still on the Agenda?
By Michael Albert
http://www.zmag.org/socagenda.htm

Thought Dreams for the Left (audio interveiw)
C.S. Soong interviews Michael Albert on againstthegrain.org
http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=4304&page=11&type=
ellie phant; what's "big"?
14 Mar 2006
Sounds like it's going to be big ellie phant ? What do you call big ?.... 50 people, maybe 200... Boston demos/rallies/marches over the past two years have really sucked. The last really "huge" march was just before the current Gulf/Texaco/Exxon-Mobil War started. Let's face it, the turn outs have been pretty poor. Sadly, I don't anticipate this one being any better. But, I will be there.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
d00d! warez my r3vo1u710n?
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Coordernatroism is a joke. Albert lumps Stalin in with business administrators. I don't know any administrators that have any power except over the people right below them, and they usally just do what they are told by their bosses. How is this confusion more clear than Marx? His rejection of marx because of stalin is over reactionary to the extreme. His idea regarding parecon is nonsense and overdetermined drivel.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Parecon is drivel. Anarchism is drivel.

It's schoolkid politics.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Coordernatroism is the problem with all the old-white-guy-isms. Parecon and balanced job complexes should be commended because they finally begin to deal with the power abuse that consistently occurs in every left structure with hierarchy. If you think coordernatroism is a joke then you are prolly guilty of it along with every other sad WWP, RCP, ISO etc etc out there.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Way to jump to the conclusion that I must be a terrible stalinist if I disagree with one mans planed design for how society should be ordered. What a bunch of orwellian crap.

Society will unfold as it will in the post capitalist era, it will unfold in an organic convergence of ideas flowing from all of the people. It will not come only from alberts mind. That is authoritarian!
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Did I say Stalinist? Nope. Marx, Mao, Lenin, and Trotsky were all coordinators. And the point is that Albert has only begun a much needed conversation about the problem of hierarchy and Coordinatorism if we are to win a world with equal empowerment and social justice.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
How was Marx a coordinatorist?
You don't get to design our society!
14 Mar 2006
The main problem with parecon, besides the totalitarian notion of one person designing a society, is that it simple is way to difficult to have meetings were everyone in the society has the appropriate amount of information regarding important decisions to facilitate timely decisions. Society would grind to a hault. Simple dicisions about say, roads would require everyone in the community to read up on the topic and then comence to debate the needed decision. What would enevitably unfold would be varying positions taken based on differing information. Or more likely hording of and surpressing of information to get the desired decision that benifited a small segment.

I always find it so ironic that it is usally anarchists that talk up paracon. They obviously don't understand that what they are creating is more decisions based on power and less based on indepth knowledge. The fear of the bureaucratic boogieman causes complete overreaction. Highly skilled and specilized individuals that have indepth knowledge concerning a specific topic leads to less politics power control.

Alberts design will lead to the complete reversal of all of societies advancements. The good and the bad. Sure gone will be war for the profit of the few, but gone also will be civilization, including the web. Can you imagine your parents and your whole community getting together to decide the oppropriate bandwith that society should accept? What if the next town over did not accept the same? Bye, Bye internet.

Marx said either we will achieve socialism or the shared ruin of both classes, or something close to that. This to me seems to be the goal of paracon, to destroy both classes by destroying any material advancement of the enlightenment and since. Sure state power has major problems, which need to be addressed, but utopian plans to structure the economy and to debate every minute detail of society is beyond overreaction.

Capitalism leads to aggrandized state power, this does not mean that bureaucratic specialization does not lead to some increased efficiency and benifits to society. I am not calling for increased bureaucratic size, nor am I calling for an increase in state power, only a reductio of capital influence in decision making and a more human society.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Marxism was the only "people’s" revolution every stared by a PHD. AKA not a worker and not a farmer...in fact the idea of doing any manual labor was abhorrent to him. Read his disagreement with Bakunin for more on this...
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Brad I think you just don't get Parecon at all. Have you read the book, I’m guessing not from all the misconceptions you have of it...first and foremost it is a vision not a set system to follow.

There are some really good articles and debates with Marxists on the parecon site if you want to actually find out what its about. Here is the link in case for some reasons you care to look into it...

http://www.parecon.org
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
Meritocracy / Innovation (Parecon - Chapter 17)
http://www.zmag.org/books/pareconv/Chapter17.htm
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
“In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Marx the German Ideology.

Sounds like a much better system to acheive the BJC that parecon seeks, without all of the political squabbleing and power struggles that would arise out of parecon.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
14 Mar 2006
I did read the book about four years ago. Here is a link to a debate that basically points out all of the misgivings of parecon, that I was a part of. http://blogs.zmag.org/node/2525#comment
Also if you search through the old blogs you will find a long one, about 250 posts in which bwong, I and others destroy a young parecon enthusiast. I will save the rest the time of repeating all of the short comings.

But, back to alberts misinterpretations of Marx, were is it that marx says he despises work and workers and alludes to his coordinatorism [sic]? Or have you not actually read any Marx first hand only what others say marx stood for?
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
15 Mar 2006
Brad I’m becoming tired of this so-called discussion...your blind adherents to Marx as if he was some kind so deity is old and tiresome. Seems like you and many others in the old school treat Marxism as a religion. Pointing out his many short comings is not a the crime you seem to think it is, he made amazing contributions but was also wrong about a great many things. We can never move forward unless we face these facts. Marx could not see cretin things including the third class (the coordinator class), of which he was not surprisingly a member. Besides you keep misquoting me, which is kind of amazing since what I said is two inches above what you are posting. I said he would not personally do manual labor, I said nothing about him hating work or the workers. (see above) Read is disagreements with Bakunin and others on this issue.

Also here is a debate on Marxism and Parecon that I find particularly helpful and insightful. http://www.zmag.org/debateiso.htm

It is clear that we will no see eye to eye on these points, perhaps we should let the other readers (if there still are any) decide for themselves.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
15 Mar 2006
this battle of the ideologies is certainly going to bring the largest turnout to the march on saturday. thanks fellas.
Jonathan is tired, everyone!
15 Mar 2006
The typical anarchist: runs away from debates because they are "tiring", because he thinks that the movement exists for his personal titillation.
I apologize for the further digression.
15 Mar 2006
Jonathan, I object to your assertion that I have a blind adherent to Marx, you are correct, Marx made many flawed analysis, I mearly have an adherence to the truth and to an accurate representation of history and Marxist analysis. What is growing tiresome is anarchists use of strawmen Marx as a substitue for actual thinking and analysis, a bourgeois informed over reaction to state capitalist Russia and moaist china. Relying on others to inform them on what Marx said and what he meant to say. I have read both parecon and Marx and have come to my own analysis of the current and historical situations. Have you done the same? Or do you rely on znet, infoshop and other "infozines" to construct your world view for you? How is that anti-authoritarian?

As for Marx and work, I did misquote you, I retract. You still have not produced the info you claim to have on how much physical labor marx did, I have read and reread last night his debates with Bakunin, yet I do not see his "abhorance" for labor. Or better yet tell me how much physical labor Albert does? Is he also coordinator class? Marx did not miss the "third class", he mearly collapsed it into the two classes that he say as the constructors of social relations. Again, how do administrators and doctors rule over me, how are they not controled and guided by the bourgeoisie?

We can never move forward until we accurately analyze the past, that means accepting and rejecting certain aspects of marxist analysis, but doing it honestly and not ideologically.

I have read many, many socalled debates on Marxism and Parecon on znet including the one you mention. Did you find the debates I mentioned? I would suggest you look outside of a single sorce to inform your entire epistemic and ideological positioning.

I do agree that this is sort of a digression from actual organizing and the March march at hand. I am not sure how parecon got brought into a blog on antiwar protests to begin with.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
15 Mar 2006
Does the Anarchist network want a speaker for the March 18 Rally and March?

A space is available if you want it. Get back to me.

Tony Van Der Meer
Co-chair, Boston Rosa Parks Human Rights Day Committee

Tmenelik (at) yahoo.com
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
Solidarity from Los Angeles. We are doing a similar action. Check it out on infoshop...

Good luck, be safe, stay strong.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
right on LA, and right back atcha. let's take these streets, even for a day. feels good to be among so many of our people once in a while.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
I love it. white guys dominating blogs, talking nothing about the original post, to dispute retired anarchy theorists. no wonder the anarchist movement is no where.

good job BAAM!
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
Why is it that this article gets moved up everyday while the original post on the protest doesn't? Nice "independent press".
back on topic
17 Mar 2006
As someone that identifies with traditional anarchist values and principles I would like to bring up to my comrades in BAAM that a black bloc seems to be against the principle of solidarity in the specific case of this march.

The black bloc in Boston as in many other US cities has been mostly, if not entirely, made up of young white people. With this fact in mind it seems to me that it demonstrates profound lack of solidarity to march into a community of color as a “white” black bloc. The black bloc, to normal people on the outside, feels very threatening to them and also comes from a place of great privilege. So it is, I think, a bit irresponsible to have a black bloc in this case - as a large number of the people attending this march will be more venerable people of low or no income, people of color and people struggling to make ends meet with a CORI following them around.

The actions of the black bloc MUST NOT, by their actions for presents put any of these people at risk of attack or arrest by the racist authorities!

Anarchism, to me, is also about accountability - not to authority - but to the people and communities we are working with. That is part of the meaning of solidarity.

So I would like to suggest a PINK BLOC or something of the sort – a more festive way to present anarchism to the people living and working in Roxbury.

I believe that BAAMs indentions are in the right place and I understand that they want to challenge the empire and also authoritarian groups like ANSWER and their coordinatorism. But a black bloc at this march I think is not the right way to do that...
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
"The United States Government has waged war on Iraq for 3 years now" Where has this correspondent been? Since 1991 the US has decimated Iraq with all out war and unremmittant bombing raids + those iniquitous sanctions which killed 500,000 children according to UNICEF.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
This is to Jonathan:
seems like BAAM! agrees with you...which is why they called for a festive, unalienating Information Bloc... not a black bloc... I feel like half the people posting on this havent even read the call.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
To Anarchist of Boston:

Yes I think they do, I was mostly echoing the above statement by BAAM and pushing the point of a festive presence at the march…and also to further discourage any old style black bloc action. All in all in impressed with the position BAAM is taking here. It would be nice to also remember that many anarchists have a style and way of dressing that can be in and of itself threatening to people. Which is why I suggested a pink bloc or something of the sort.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
To Anarchist of Boston:

Yes I think they do, I was mostly echoing the above statement by BAAM and pushing the point of a festive presence at the march…and also to further discourage any old style black bloc action. All in all in impressed with the position BAAM is taking here. It would be nice to also remember that many anarchists have a style and way of dressing that can be in and of itself threatening to people. Which is why I suggested a pink bloc or something of the sort.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
To Anarchist of Boston:

By the way I apologize, if before, I sounded like I was disagreeing with or not reading the BAAM call. That was not my intention, I should have been clearer about that.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
I think this is where I step in and correct some bullshit that has been posted here by "Jonathan." I'm currently editing a book on black blocs and have experience organizing and participating in several balck blocs.

"The black bloc in Boston as in many other US cities has been mostly, if not entirely, made up of young white people. With this fact in mind it seems to me that it demonstrates profound lack of solidarity to march into a community of color as a “white” black bloc."

This is either incredibly misinformed or downright sectarian and dishonest. One of the favorite tactics of the leftover left is to paint anarchists as being all white kids. In fact, the anarchist movement looks like any other movement.

Black blocs do have lots of young people, but they are also made up of people of different ages. I've seen plenty of wrinkles in black blocs and I've heard that several have had participants in their 60s. I your ignorant hostility to the black bloc, you let your interest in attacking anarchist blind you to the fact that black blocs are one way that anarchists express themselves at protests.

The statement that black blocs are made up of "young white people" is even more offensive, given the considerable amount of people of color who participate in black blocs. Your race-baiting here is just disgusting.

"The black bloc, to normal people on the outside, feels very threatening to them and also comes from a place of great privilege."

Which "normal people"? White liberal pacifist who have an irrational fear of the black bloc? Black blocs have gotten incredible support from working people in the cities where we have had them. The only people we've found who dislike black blocs are cops and peace activists who sometimes use violence against us. Go figure that hypocrisy out.

Privilege? You don't know what you are talking about. You are just throwing this word around because idiots use it as a rhetorical weapon against militant street protests.

"So it is, I think, a bit irresponsible to have a black bloc in this case - as a large number of the people attending this march will be more venerable people of low or no income, people of color and people struggling to make ends meet with a CORI following them around."

This is an increasingly common, two-faced ignorant argument against the black bloc and just about any type of militant street actions. We hear this alot from peaceniks and authoritarian socialists who prefer protest rallies that don't threaten anything, but which give a platfrom to wannabe movement leaders.

There is nothing irresponsible about forming a black bloc. Anarchists have a fucking right to march together, showing their colors and asserting our right to the streets. How dare you to fucking accuse us of maing the situation dangerous for people you tokenize with your nonsense about them being "vulnerable." We aren't the police. If you have a fucking problem with the police beating up people, go out there and stop the fucking cops.

I dare you to ge up to these low-income people and tell them that they are weak and vulnerable. They'll kick your fucking balls back to the safety of your goddamn computer screen. The people who support black bloc tactics are more often these "vulnerable" people than your pacifist friends.

"The actions of the black bloc MUST NOT, by their actions for presents put any of these people at risk of attack or arrest by the racist authorities!"

Hey, Jonathan, you fucking coward. Go fuck yourself. You don't understand a goddamn thing about black blocs, which are a tactic of solidarity and self-defense by anarchists. How dare you fucking suggest that anarchists are putting anybody at risk. We are not the cops. People like yourself are a fucking embarassment to any political movement. Where did you buy this anti-anarchist boilerplate from? The ISO?

"Anarchism, to me, is also about accountability - not to authority - but to the people and communities we are working with. That is part of the meaning of solidarity."

Jonathan, you are no anarchist, so stop pretending to be one. You are completely clueless to the fact that the black bloc tactic is one of solidarity and that anarchists have a solid track record of working with other groups and oppressed communities.

Jesus fucking christ. Indymedia is just a cesspool of pseudointellectual nonsense.

Coming up next, that armchair Trotskyist who spends all day trolling Indymedia websites will post some wingnut comment.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
It would appear that the wingnut has already landed.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
For detailed information on tomorrow's march, with maps, march route, etc. etc. see:
http://www.iacboston.org/

Just making jobs for the FBI easier. poor guys, they must be tired w/all that NSA survellaince monthly quotas.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
17 Mar 2006
Hello again Chuck, looks like we cross swords yet again (if this is in fact Chuck from infoshop, mutualaid.org and the ex-member of the campus democrats.

I must confess I do not understand your anger at an anarchist critique of some of the tactics of the anarchist movement. Are you seriously attacking me, again, for not being anarchist? Just because I point out what many many people of color have been saying for a long time and what is painfully obvious to most of the anarchist community in Boston. You have got to be kidding. Besides I am agreeing with BAAM here for the most part for crying out loud.

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You say: “One of the favorite tactics of the leftover left is to paint anarchists as being all white kids. In fact, the anarchist movement looks like any other movement.”

--->Anarchists in the US and the West generally are mostly white, you cannot be seriously denying this fact. Which is in fact the way most other movements in the west look as well. Very white. Minus the civil rights movement and urban justice movements that are by and for (mostly) people of color. The problem of racism and white supremacy inside our own movements is a giant one - you have to agree on that?

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You say: “your ignorant hostility to the black bloc, you let your interest in attacking anarchist blind you to the fact that black blocs are one way that anarchists express themselves at protests.”

---> I’m confused at this statement. I am not attacking anarchists or the black bloc in general. I am saying that the black bloc tactic would be counter-productive and irresponsible at this specific March in the context of race and class issues in Boston. Notice that I did not say that the black bloc is always the wrong tactic, nor world I say that.

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You say: “The statement that black blocs are made up of "young white people" is even more offensive, given the considerable amount of people of color who participate in black blocs. Your race-baiting here is just disgusting.”

---> Define “considerable amount” cuz I have never seen anywhere near a ‘considerable amount” in any black bloc on the east coast anyway. And it is not race-baiting which sounds like aright wing term, it is pointing out the fact that the anarchist movement has by and large alienated itself from people of color and the issues important to them in the US. I say by and large since there are amazing and notable exceptions. There is an enormous problem within anarchism with racism and white privilege, which is a larger discussion.

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You say: “Which "normal people"? White liberal pacifist who have an irrational fear of the black bloc? Black blocs have gotten incredible support from working people in the cities where we have had them. The only people we've found who dislike black blocs are cops and peace activists who sometimes use violence against us. Go figure that hypocrisy out.”

---> The normal people in Roxbury/Dorchester who are already suspicious of white people because of the daily horrors of racism. You do understand that this March is starting in an impoverished community of color right? The white people participating in the black bloc in Boston would mostly be people that are not under the boot of the racist system. If arrested they would not face anywhere near the oppression and abuse at the hands of the criminal injustice system, especially in a white supremacist and segregated city like Boston. And if the black bloc created a situation where they provoked police repression, they people of color in the immediate area would feel the impact. This is not rocket science; this is about accountability to the community.

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You say: “Privilege? You don't know what you are talking about. You are just throwing this word around because idiots use it as a rhetorical weapon against militant street protests.”

---> Again I am not against militant street protest or the black bloc in general. I am saying that it is a tactic that comes from institutional privileges. For many people, that tactic is out of the question because of their class, race and/or gender. And as such it is important to consider the ramification of that action on people outside the black bloc that might feel the brunt of the repression brought on by such action.

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You say: “There is nothing irresponsible about forming a black bloc. Anarchists have a fucking right to march together, showing their colors and asserting our right to the streets. How dare you to fucking accuse us of maing the situation dangerous for people you tokenize with your nonsense about them being "vulnerable." We aren't the police. If you have a fucking problem with the police beating up people, go out there and stop the fucking cops.”

---> Sometimes it is irresponsible and sometimes it is not. It depends of the situation, place of the march etc. And it depends of the streets you are “asserting your rights” on. Are they streets in your own community or are them streets in a community of color where you or the black bloc do not live? Diversity of tactics for a diversity of situations. But again, will your actions effect those that did not choose to take this type of military action or not? That is the question at hand. If your action will effect others, especially others from already massively oppressed groups than they MUST have a say in the decision to use such tactics. And those that use them MUST be accountable to the community affected.
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You say: “I dare you to go up to these low-income people and tell them that they are weak and vulnerable. They'll kick your fucking balls back to the safety of your goddamn computer screen. The people who support black bloc tactics are more often these "vulnerable" people than your pacifist friends.”

--->I don’t understand this either. I work with people on CORI issues in Boston/Roxbury and I understand how they are oppressed by the system and the police. I did not say anyone was “weak” nor do I think that. I said more vulnerable to the racist and classist institutions of injustice than a white person from the middle class who might participate in the black bloc. The racist system here and elsewhere already targets people in Roxbury everyday all day even without an excuse of a militant protest in the street. Such an action would have to be chosen by that community and those people.

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You say: “Hey, Jonathan, you fucking coward. Go fuck yourself. You don't understand a goddamn thing about black blocs, which are a tactic of solidarity and self-defense by anarchists.”

---> Solidarity is also about accountability to the community you are working in. It is also about making sure you do not put people in danger that have not choosing to be in danger in that way.

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You say: “How dare you fucking suggest that anarchists are putting anybody at risk. We are not the cops. People like yourself are a fucking embarassment to any political movement. Where did you buy this anti-anarchist boilerplate from? The ISO?”

---> I say that some anarchist tactics have and can - put people are risk, because they can and have put people at risk. My points are anything but anti-anarchist (whatever that means), they probably come from listening to people of color in Boston and elsewhere talk about their concerns and experiences. They come from an understanding of accountability to the people you are working with and from a framework of what white, male and class privilege mean in America today. They have nothing to do with authoritarian groups like the ISO. In fact if you read the BAAM call above, they are saying similar things.

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You say: Jonathan, you are no anarchist, so stop pretending to be one. You are completely clueless to the fact that the black bloc tactic is one of solidarity and that anarchists have a solid track record of working with other groups and oppressed communities.”

---> I do not think it is up to you to define my politics. To me part of what being an anarchist means being accountable to the communities we work in, it means working in solidarity with oppressed groups on THEIR terms (not on ours). One of the reason I feel that the word anarchist is being misunderstood is because many people that label themselves anarchists do not understand these principles. Some anarchists do indeed have a strong record of working with oppressed communities - others sadly do not at all. This is again a larger conversation as to what is mean by “working with”. In Boston at least there is a serious lack of real solidarity and interaction between anarchists and communities of color.

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You say: “Jesus fucking christ. Indymedia is just a cesspool of pseudointellectual nonsense.”

---> I do not understand the fact that you and some other people calling themselves anarchists refer to -and put down - critiques of racism and patriarchy within the anarchist movement as “pseudo intellectual nonsense” or “navel gazing”. Racism and Patriarchy are both major issues on the anti-authoritarian left; they are crippling and MUST be addressed.

I would suggest Tim Wise on white privilege and there are any number of women that talk extensively about male privilege - all you have to do is look it up.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
18 Mar 2006
yo chucko, i'd have liked to thank you for stepping in and correcting things for us, from your armchair in front of a computer screen, but you just sound too fucking arrogant dude. damn, is it really possible that after all the work anarchists have been doing in recent years on race and class privilege, that people would still go spouting off like this?

you have got to be joking about this 'considerable' number of people of color in black blocs- i've known several black blocs intimately, and though i'm a person of color, i can't think of more than 2 other apoc in blocs. there is a small apoc network, but its growth is hampered by macho and ignorant nonsense like you exhibited for us just above. jonathan isn't the only person pointing out that anarchist demos have unthinkingly made situations worse for people in roxbury. some time ago anarchists, while motivated by a spirit of solidarity, decided to go ahead with a demo in roxbury where none of them lived, and pissed off well-respected leaders in the community who did not appreciate the rude *white* kids tokenizing them. since then, there has been a weird unresolved tension with organizers there worrying about the possibility of uncoordinated and possibly counterproductive actions sprouting up 'in solidarity' with the hood or surprise demands for a march just as the featured speaker is going on at a rally, while anarchists don't understand why people start fidgeting when they show up. (some good work has happened here regarding this though, and lots of anarchists do get it...)

on the other hand, jonathan does seem a bit groveling with all the stuff about vulnerable people of color chased around by coris. yeah man, it's true all that shit happens in the hood, but 1.there are not just people of color in roxbury, 2. there are plenty of people of color without coris or unemployed, 3. there are many angry people in roxbury who would appreciate anyone coming into their neighborhood in solidarity and demonstrating with them against the common enemy. shit, if you remember seattle, there were several young black men smashing shit up spontaneously alongside the bloc (and not just looting as the media 'reported'). still, a lot of what you said is on point about the anarchist 'mainstream' alienating people of color who might not be familiar with all the codes of dress and whatever, and easy ways to make the movement seem more inviting. but the most lasting effect would be for people simply to make alliances and friends with people in deathchester or stabnkill or slashmont.

again, chuck, you had several good points but really turned me off with the needless hostility and blind refusal to accept legitimate criticism. and jonathan- a PINK BLOC?! :)
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
18 Mar 2006
Man am I glad of three things:

--nobody has any intention of bloc'ing up in a black bloc formation at tomorrow's march

--chuck munson is nowhere near boston

--jonathan does not pick out my wardrobe.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
18 Mar 2006
Anyone who has been near dorchester or roxbury in the past 20 years knows the black block is standard street wear for most young black men. its practical, functional and the reality is by not taking on the local customs ie dressing in all black and blocking up, activists are showing a lack of solidarity with locals and thier struggles against the police.
Re: Call for an Anarchist and Anti-Authoritarian Information Bloc at the March 18th, anti-war march.
18 Mar 2006
Shell, by vulnerable I did not mean to imply weak...I apologize if it came across that way...what I meant to articulate was that many people in Roxbury do not benefit from the same white privilege as their white brothers and sisters in confrontations with police and especially in the court system etc afterwards. I will try to pick my words more carefully next time. You are correct that not everyone in Roxbury has a CORI or is unemployed - I hope I did not imply that in my comments above. Though the numbers are far higher than in the other whiter-parts Boston for obvious reasons - as you are of course aware.

Pink bloc was kind of joke but yes I should defiantly not be in charge of the wardrobe.