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Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
Modified: 06:23:47 PM
"The people who kidnapped me and murdered Allan Enwiya are criminals, at best... I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.... I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy--to discovering the truth--and so I will not engage in polemics." - from Jill Carroll's statement on release from captivity in Iraq.
Saint Jill's back, and it's time for a big old American bullshit party, with book contracts and agents and movie rights and a made for TV movie, with the heroic role of Jill the Journalist who loves nothing but truth, fairness, accuracy and the American
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Welcome Home Jill, Please Stop Lying


way to be played by somebody like Mila Kunis, a pretty good TV actress who's also looking for a career breakthrough.

I hate to always be the party pooper, but lets consider some facts:

1) The Christian Science Monitor, an obscure and deeply weird small circulation daily out of Boston started in 1908 by Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of "the Church of Christ, Scientist" which continues to be managed by the strange church/money cult's five-member board of directors, wasn't exactly harmed by the publicity created by Carroll's abduction. In fact, most people had never heard of this odd church paper before Carroll, and moreover had no clue about its supposedly unbiased Iraq war coverage.

(The paper's audience is said to consist largely of CIA and Defense Department officials.... must be cuz of the unbiased reporting.)

2) The kidnapping has propelled Carroll from obscure freelancer to celebrity journalism martyr. Now that's she's survived her ordeal, you can't say this wasn't huge for Carroll's career. She may have been courageous. She may even have been a good journalist. But now it's pay day.

Whenever Americans throw a party, there's going to be platitudes and lies, like for example the one about how Martyr Jill's work in Iraq advanced the cause of "fairness and accuracy and discovering truth" and blah blah blah.

For myself, I'd like to say that I seriously doubt that Carroll's work in Iraq was good for anyone but Carroll. What good does it really do to have these twenty-something monolingual American journalism grads following the US military around on its most recent conquest? What can Jill's interview with Sunni Politician X, which is what got her kidnapped in the first place, really tell the public that it doesn't already know? Iraq is a massive cluster fuck - we shouldn't have invaded the place - it's none of our business - we don't need the US media to
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show us there's bombings and violence because it's covered and broadcast by Arab media - and what did you think would happen? - and now we've got to Snagglepus out of there, "stage left even."

Finally, a word in defense of criminals. Jill says her kidnappers "are criminals, at best." In the interest of "fairness and accuracy"--lets not forget that the Iraq insurgency is asymmetrical warfare, a fancy term for the idea that the Iraqis fighting the foreign occupation of their country are poor people who in general don't have Black Hawk helicopters, predator drones, or carrier based F-18s. SInce the US military has all that stuff, insurgents are required to wage war by other means, like propaganda, politics, and yes, sometimes by kidnapping and assassination. It's ugly, but what else can you do against the most powerful military empire ever? If Jill's kidnappers were merely common criminals, why did they demand the release of female Iraqis in US custody? Wouldn't criminals demand cash and jewelry or something? And what gives the US government more of a right to hold female Iraqi citizens in Iraq than Jill's kidnappers had to hold her?

For the life of me, I just don't get it.

Welcome back Jill. When's the book tour?

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Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
Monolingual? She was an Arabic speaker.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
The CSM is pretty widely respected on the left; it's not a religious paper at all. When I lived in student cooperative housing one of my housemates talked us into getting a house subscription; I remember being surprised and impressed. And if you hadn't seen their stories on the Iraq war before on the internet, you must not have been paying attention.
CSM
02 Apr 2006
You've really never heard of the Christian Science Monitor before this incident? You're clearly very aware.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
"Wouldn't criminals demand cash"

That's what they got, along with the release of female prisoners, although not all of them. It won't be long before Carrol writes her book, tells us how bad we are and puts her hijab back on.
Stay tuned
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
dude just shut the fuck up. i'd like to see you go throught this.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
man, you're simple
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
The CSM is pretty widely respected on the left; it's not a religious paper at all. When I lived in student cooperative housing one of my housemates talked us into getting a house subscription; I remember being surprised and impressed. And if you hadn't seen their stories on the Iraq war before on the internet, you must not have been paying attention.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
02 Apr 2006
this article is ridiculous. jill carrol, a critic of the iraq war, was one of the few unembedded journalists in iraq. if it weren't for people like her americans wouldn't know ANYTHING about what's going on over there. and while of course the insurgents don't have the same resources as the occupying forces, it's really fucked up to kidnap a journalist just for being american, and threaten to kill her until her government, which in this case she disagrees with, meets certain demands. and as far as fighting the occupying forces go (not that jill carroll was part of the occupying forces), the international media attention that her capture brought put the insurgency in a much worse light than it was already in. independent journalists willing to go to iraq are an extremely important part of the anti-war movement. if people saw what's actually going on in iraq on tv every day, this war would be a lot closer to over. i'm glad that jill made it home alive.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
03 Apr 2006
Lame bullshit by a person who doesn't have their facts straight.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
03 Apr 2006
She’s a writer, you’re a writer. You are the one who seems to be obsessed with fame and book deals. Perhaps, Count Jihad , could go to Iraq and explain to the Insurgents what you think about gay marriage. That might give you new insights. I love to read that story.

To oppose the US Imperialists in Iraq does not mean a person has to support the Insurgents. While it is obvious that the War in Iraq has kept the US too busy to make war on North Korea, that does not make the Insurgents supportable

What about life in areas of Iraq where the U.S. military has retreated and turned over control to former Ba’athist officers, Sunni Muslim clerics or their Shi’ite counterparts? Women have been forced back into veils, prohibited from wearing make-up or participating in public life under the recently imposed Islamic sharia law. A street poster “decree of Allah” threatens, “We will have no pity for those who oppose Allah by their beauty or mode of dress”

Houses are raided where “sinners” are believed to be drinking alcohol or listening to music other than Koranic chants. School kids with “indecent” haircuts are surrounded by mujahedin trucks, hauled off, beaten and shaved bald, dangerously branded as infidels.

The Insurgents are bad news. That seems to be what Jill is saying. There is more truth in her words than yours “Count Jihad” cheerleader for ‘Death Squad’ Insurgents.
Facts, Not Fiction
03 Apr 2006
I agree that the above writer doesn't have clue. But does anyone have a clue what happened in Iraq, with this woman? She spoke Arabic. She communicated with Iraqi's. Yet nothing from her.
As for the Christian Science Monitor? I've read the rag. Along with the New Yorker, and many others. So what?
She's home. She's safe. End of story.
Until the truth trickles out.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
03 Apr 2006
If Carroll was such a great linguist why was she accompanied by Allan Enwiyah, a <i>translator</i>, when she was kidnapped?
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
03 Apr 2006
while count jihad does seem full of shit...and polemics, he does raise the important question of truth. I have NOT read all the blogs, but I have paid close attention to cnn, new york times, npr and google news. The news from these sources, albeit mainstream, is notably sparse on details. There is surely a lot that we do not know about her time as a prisoner and I think the lack of facts could easily lead one to assume conspiracy, collusion and altertior motives.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
04 Apr 2006
remember poor Jessica Lynch and her ordeal? I don't buy this "feel good story" for a second. the "anti-warriors" here who can't see past these propaganda stunts are more than likely the same folks who will soon be arguing that an attack on Iran, unlike the attack on Iraq, is justified. welcome to warfare in the internet age. and watch your back.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
04 Apr 2006
why would everyone who is glad to see her back home support a war with iran? that makes no sense. how would you feel if your sister got abducted?
Iran? Leave Iran Alone!
05 Apr 2006
Something smells about Jills story.
As for Iran? These oil slobs need a head check. Go after the people who set the charges in WTC 1, 2, and 5. Or better yet...Where did the passengers of flight 93 go, after they were shuttled to the NASA hanger in Cleveland on 9-11?
Important questions. No clear answers.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
05 Apr 2006
Right on Metro, but I think you mean WTC 7, no?

See http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_cutter.wmv

And look at the little explosions running up the top side of the building. Neat huh? And not a single person on earth has even ventured a guess as to how that building collapsed in this way as a result of two little fires on the lower floors (that started how, exactly?)

The lying sacks of shit that troll around here are the same as the lying sacks of shit everywhere who still blame 9-11 on Muslims. Then you get a photogenic pseudo-journalist "abducted", not by aliens but by her own government, in order to provoke ire among Americans. Guess what? No one gives a flying f*** about Jill or Jessica or any other damsels in distress that are rescued from evil Arabs. Because everyone either knows already or will soon know that this has all been a f***ing theatrical production from day one, i.e. 9/11/01. And guess what? We will NEVER FORGET. And we will not rest until every last person who was involved or done anything to shield those involved is tried for murder and treason.

You lying sacks of shit can whine all you want about Muslims--but your time will come soon, and I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when it does.

F***ing frame innocent people for your f***ing building demolitions and mass murder and think we'll all play along like zombies. Guess what? The average American is smarter than you think, and when you try to make murdering fools of them they will find out and make you pay.

Understood?
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
05 Apr 2006
I have no doubt that the guy who posts the 9/11 crap is the same guy who slogs every thread down with a debate between Trotsky and Bakunin, and who cut pastes reams on Israel/Palestine and who fills the whole Otherpress section.

It ain't me babe.
Re: Welcome Home Jill, Now Stop Lying
06 Apr 2006
that's not Jill Caroll, is that chick from the 70's Show...