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Announcement :: Human Rights : International
Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
07 Apr 2006
Book Presentation with Author Thomas R. Melville

Monday, April 10
4:30 - 6:00pm

David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies
CGIS South Building, 2nd Floor
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Through a Glass Darkly tells the story of Ron Hennessey, an Iowa farmer who returned from the Korean War to discover that farming no longer held much allure. Hennessey joined a Catholic missionary society and after nine years of study was ordained a priest and sent to Guatemala. The book describes Hennessey's conversion from being an unapologetic patriot from America's heartland to a staunch opponent of Ronald Reagan's policies in Central America.

Thomas R. Melville served as a Catholic Maryknoll priest in Guatemala for ten years before being expelled in 1967 by Guatemalan and Church authorities for his role in planning the formation of a Christian unit to graft onto the guerrilla movement that was fighting Guatemala's military rulers. Melville's religious training prompted him to ask why successive U.S. administrations financed repressive governments in Guatemala and Central America and why antigovernment guerrillas were labeled "terrorists" while U.S. advisors and their students were hailed as "freedom fighters."

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Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
07 Apr 2006
um, don't call that a holocaust--it infringes on our trademark.

many tanks!

-Roy
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
07 Apr 2006
The Zionist project is blasphemy and employs terror!
Central Americans are like MexiSkins
07 Apr 2006
worthless
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
08 Apr 2006
now i gotta say, if there was a "holocaust" by the bad Americans in guatemala, how come so many guatemalans have flocked to the USA? I mean it's not like Jews who were the victims of the Holocaust (you know "the" Holocaust, Rabbi) begged to stay in Poland and Germany after WWII. Victims of genocide have a thing about returning immediately or even for many years to the scenes of the crimes.

So, if you use an analogy like "Holocaust", be consistent. Logic. Well, Father Ahab here is a Maryknoll, and not a Jesuit. Maybe that explains the inanity of the title.

It is really funny that "Father" Melville (related to Herman or to singer Richard "Moby" Melville?) lacks logic in his analogical effort to have a catchy title.

How'd this guy finish Seminary?
Yes We Have NO Bananas. Do You?
09 Apr 2006
UHH
Genocide means you want to wipe out a race or nation because of their very ethnicity.
By the Left's own logic, there never was genocide by the US in Central America. You can argue with the Spanish about Spain, but despite the Indians they killed, they really wanted the survival of those indiginous folk for religiious and ecooomic reasons.

Why no USA genocide? If the lefties are correct about the big bad USA exploiting the little Central American countries, then it would not be in the interests of the USA to commit genocide. The docile little folk in those countries are needed to produce the alleged raw materials that keep alleged US imperialism going.

I won't go into here why Central America's chief use to the US (and the rest of the world) right now are 1)environmental, which means America is the best hope for these slash and burn peasants to live in countries that don't look like the concrete 711 parking lots they dwell in the USA; and 2) Panama and Costa Rica are significant offshore financial centers (that cost the US worker jobs. Bananas and Dole-ancient history. The Marines aren't going into Nicaragua for Chiquita or Dole ever again. Get in the 21st century. The foreign interests that Central Americans need to worry about are the Chinese (who make American employers look like Utopian Socialists) and Columbian drug lords (General Patton was a social worker in comparison).

Anyway, the Left is living back in 1970. Illegal immigrants send billions back to Central America from the USA. The trade balance is in Central America's favor. Plus our US Medicaid and education funds now are flowing to the descendents of the Aztec (no genociders they)and the Maya. Their dream is to become Americanos so they too can be bosses someday. The Cubans are an inspiring example.

Would you Lefties drop the word Genocide from your automatic screed against contemporary society and the American people in particular? It's left wing countries like Natiional SOCIALIST Germany, Soviet Russia (the Tartars, Lithuanians, Ukranians, the Chechens) China (The Tibetans), Sudan (Black Christians and animists) and Serbia (The Bosnians) that let political and/Islamic ideology overcome traditional religious scruples against mass murder. Throw in the Turks (Armenians) for good measure. Blame without reason the US for whatever you want but systematic racial murder is not one of its sins (including the defeats of saintly Native Americans whose populations and pocketbooks now are growing quite nicely, thank you.).
Monkey Business
09 Apr 2006
no one gives a peel about bananas.

there is no petroleum in Central America. Mexico has petroleum. It has controlled its own petroleum since 1940. By the way, even if US owned companies owned the oil, oil is a commodity. Do you know what that means, comrade econonmist? It means that nations sell it to other nations at the world price. Occasionally for show, a barrel or two will be sold at lower prices for political reasons. (Chavez and the People's Republic of Massachusetts). Chavez unlike you is not a fool. He sells 99.9% of the petroleum to the highest bidder, whether its Cuba or the USA. That's why OPEC nations are called "oil-RICH".

Central America's majory export is cheap labor.
The last time I checked, no one was going down to El Salvador with nets to catch house painters.
They find their way here. They are happy to be here. As bad as our crappy schools are, they are Ivy League compared with their schools, which they've had only 400 years to improve.

Hint: the Panama Canal is run by Panama.
US tourists are dumping mucho bucks in Costa Rica and Panama on eco-tourism.

Sorry. USA is the debtor nation. We will be poor soon enough. Don't worry. But if you and the Harvard/BU/Umass/Brandeis etc. faculty don't mind, I'll stop feeling guilty about whatever sins Teddy Roosevelt committed against the suffering Latinos who were so happy under Spanish and their indigenous rulers back in the early 20th Century. God I wish Teddy were our President!

Charge!
Yo No Geno
10 Apr 2006
and these admirable statistics are genocide because?????????????????????????
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
10 Apr 2006
"By the way, where do think the phrase "banana republic" comes from, anyway? It comes from Latin America, from countries whose enormous economic contribution to the first world requires dictators. Dictators to enforce productivity, to keep down wages, which cut into profits, and to maintain the disequilibrium."


Funny, I thought they called them Banana Republics because they were run by some ape, who because he lives in a tropical rain forest that "produces" bananas, he can sit on a tin pot in his best green monkey suit and pretend he is a local world leader.

I thought banana republican dictators oppressed their own people because it was fun, and those guys wanted to make enough money to spend on hookers automobiles, and vcr tapes.
Where's Waldo the Dictator?
10 Apr 2006
Do I remember any of you from school?

NO.

What's this about the dictators? Except for Fidel Castro, there are no dictators anymore in Latin America. Write to your buddy Bill Clinton in Harlem. He will confirm this. He used to brag about it a lot. My goodness, why in the world did the US spend 25 years trying to get rid of dictators and replace them with popularly elected officials if it can't at least get a "thank you" every now and then?


Funny, how I never hear much from you klowns about the Soviet Union's 50 years of interference in Latin America. But I guess the only thing they accomplished besides the 40 years of misery inflicted upon the Cuban people by Dictator Fidel, was the rather funny sight of Che begging for his life the day Bolivian peasants he had trusted shot him in the nuts. Why was it funny? Because anyone who knows anything about Latin America knows that if Che had shown his bourgeois pretty boy face in Cuba after 1962, it would have been blown away. A trouble maker is a trouble maker. And Fidel knows trouble.

But back to the point. Don't insult the REAL DEAL DICTATOR--FIDEL the FIRST. He is the first and the last. Red Velvet, if you please.

Its All Over Now, Baby Blue.
Feller and FLIPSIDE, sitting in a tree...
10 Apr 2006
Wow--I had totally forgotten how awesome the US has always been to Latin America! Well, ever since they pre-emptively attacked the spanish on false pretenses to win their own mini empire! And also, The US didn't sell weapons to Iran, Israel did, as a flavor flave to the US. Either way, the Nicaraguan terrorists (Contras) got their dough!
Le General Pinochet: :L'Ancient Regime
10 Apr 2006
In a galaxy far far away...............
Through Your Ass Darkly
11 Apr 2006
Gratuitious use of Holocaust imagery. See PETA.
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
11 Apr 2006
From the American Heritage Dictionary:

holocaust:
1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire
2. a) The genocide of European Jews by the Nazis during World War II
b) A massive slaughter
3. A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames

"Holocaust" does not universally refer to genocide or always specifically to the Shoah. When the capitalized phrase "The Holocaust" is used alone, yes, general usage determines that is a reference to the Shoah (which term, an anglicization of a Hebrew word meaning "catastrophe," predates usage of The Holocaust in reference to the Nazi genocide by 3-4 years), but large numbers of people accept its usage, when properly modified (as it is in the subtitle to this book) to describe such events as the Rwandan genocide, the slaughter of Chinese by the Japanese in the '30's and '40's, the massacres of Native Americans by the Spanish, English, and U.S., the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Stalin's forced collectivization of the Ukraine, the transatlantic trade in African slaves, and Pol Pot's crimes in Cambodia.

Note my very specific use of the term "genocide" above. Some of those holocausts were genocides, the purposeful elimination of an ethnicity, race, or culture, some were not.

Certainly, the death of 200,000 Guatemalans described in this book meets the definition above in 1. and 2. b). Whether it could be called a genocide is neither here nor there, but the book's subtitle is not a particularly controversial statement to mainstream historians.
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
11 Apr 2006
Oh, and in response to feller's comment about Herman and singer Richard "Moby" Melville: I don't know about Father Melville, but the iconic American writer and the more dubiously talented contemporary recording artist actually are related; that's why Richard Melville took the name "Moby."
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
12 Apr 2006
"why in the world did the US spend 25 years trying to get rid of dictators"
right, they were busy chasing out dictators like jacobo arbenz and salvador allende (both democratically elected), and installing icons of freedom and democracy like augusto pinochet, manuel noriega and the military triumvirate in argentina (all torturing, kleptocratic murderers).
Jhgl My Memory Please
12 Apr 2006
Your examples fo US backed dictators are SO old.

What happened since the end of the cold war, Mr. Historian? Democracy is and has been good for business. That why they call it NEO-liberalism.

lDid the US toss out the socialist leader of Brazil? No? Hugo Chavez? Don't worry, he's no socialist. And in this country his name is Citgo.
Get with the program. Again, aside from Castro, name one dictator in Latin America. (I won't even torment you about Hugo).
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
12 Apr 2006
did anyone go to Fr. Melville's presentation? Was it informative?
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
12 Apr 2006
i remember the national endowment for "democracy" trying to get hugo chavez out of power a couple years ago. is that recent enough for you? at this point, it would be suicide to try anything there since the us gets 15 percent of its oil from venezuela and is dependent. as for brazil, it's about as socialist as denmark. it's a market economy and lula realizes if he takes the economy sharply to the left, foreign investoes will pull out and the country will collapse. so the us is fine with things the way they are.

what about mobutu sese seko, he was still in power in the 90's. and apartheid was still supported by the us until 94. pinochet is still coddled by the us and britain. not to mention that the real guilty parties, the puppet masters behind all this geopolitical manipulation- people like kissinger, olly north, negroponte, etc are still running things in washington. recent enough for you?
You can't Jhgl your way out
12 Apr 2006
Ha. Ha. the answer as I expected is NONE!!!!
Except for Fidel, there are no dictators in Latin America. (You can have Africa. No one wants it. Including the US. I take tht back. Sting and Bono want it. Yuk!)

Light me a cigar. Thanks, Fidel, I will.
Things that happen in Latin American democracies.
13 Apr 2006
Under Latin American democracies, death squads kidnap political opponents off the streets and their bodies, if found, are found rotting in the sun on some remote hillside.

People are afraid to walk through the banana groves along the north coast of Honduras because they may just come across heaps of bodies, the disappeared of a democracy.

Whiling viewing some Mayan ruins in El Salvador, a police officer suddenly stopped me from going around the ruins and seeing them from behind. He told me it was a restricted area. A couple of years later, a newsreport revealed it had been a dumping ground for the bodies of death squad victims.

Don't tell me that just because Castro is a bonafide dictator that what passes for democracy in Latin America (or even here) is freedom.
So many democracies; so many death squads
13 Apr 2006
are the death squads there because the host nation is a democracy. Is the democracy a democracy? Which democracies? Which death squads? Would you rather they not be democracies? Do you have documentation that it is in the interest of the US that there be death squads? Are Columbian gun and drug gangs death squads?

Except for Fidel, there are no dictators in Latin America. Figure out what you lefties want. More democracies? more socialist dictatorships? More corrupt but less deadly nations? Say something naughty about Fidel. Come on. You won't melt. But you won't. Because you hate democracy!
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
13 Apr 2006
So who heard Fr. Melville?
So many democracies; so many death squads
13 Apr 2006
are the death squads there because the host nation is a democracy. Is the democracy a democracy? Which democracies? Which death squads? Would you rather they not be democracies? Do you have documentation that it is in the interest of the US that there be death squads? Are Columbian gun and drug gangs death squads?

Except for Fidel, there are no dictators in Latin America. Figure out what you lefties want. More democracies? more socialist dictatorships? More corrupt but less deadly nations? Say something naughty about Fidel. Come on. You won't melt. But you won't. Because you hate democracy!
Re: Through a Glass Darkly: The US Holocaust in Central America
19 Apr 2006
feller is an asshole and if he took his finger out of his ass then maybe he could see straight you insulting little prick mother fucker.