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News :: Human Rights : International
Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
On Tuesday, April 11, at 5:00 pm, 20 young Jewish people gathered for a seder (traditional celebration of Passover) outside 126 High Street in Boston, the building that houses the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Boston's Jewish Community Relations Council (JCRC). The group expressed their support for Palestinian human rights and opposition to AIPAC’s and JCRC’s unquestioning support for Israel and its governmental policies. With a banner that read “Passover means liberation for all. Justice for Palestine,” they conveyed the message to the organizations inside and to the media that AIPAC and JCRC do not speak for all Jews.
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Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
Young Boston Jews support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder outside their offices


On Tuesday, April 11, at 5:00 pm, 20 young Jewish people gathered for a seder (traditional celebration of Passover) outside 126 High Street in Boston, the building that houses the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Boston's Jewish Community Relations Council (JCRC). The group expressed their support for Palestinian human rights and opposition to AIPAC’s and JCRC’s unquestioning support for Israel and its governmental policies. With a banner that read “Passover means liberation for all. Justice for Palestine,” they conveyed the message to the organizations inside and to the media that AIPAC and JCRC do not speak for all Jews.

The group set up a seder table and recited Passover's traditional four questions, with newly written answers that included facts about Israel's demolition of Palestinian homes, confiscation and destruction of Palestine's land resources for the expansion of settlements and the Separation Wall, and malnutrition and poverty in Palestine caused by Israeli closure and movement restrictions. (supplement attached)

According to Marjorie Kent, one of the organizers of the seder “During Passover, every generation of Jewish people is commanded to remember that we were slaves and to tell the story of the Exodus so that we can recognize oppression that happens today and work to stop it. Today we committed ourselves to this task.”

AIPAC pushes the US government to support Israeli policies which result in the brutal oppression of Palestinian people and denial of their internationally recognized human rights. JCRC, while claiming to speak for all Jews, invests enormous time and energy suppressing any voice of opposition to Israeli policies, especially Jewish voices. "Our generation has had enough of AIPAC’s and JCRC's complicity in Israel's human rights abuses of Palestinians," said Hannah Mermelstein, another seder organizer. “Their support of these policies betray the libratory message of Passover.”

The group called on people leaving the building to take the message of “liberation for all” home with them this Passover. They handed out supplements for people to add to their traditional Passover seders. The text of the supplement follows.

As the group left, the police arrived with specific instructions to arrest them.

Photographs available at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Passover_Means_Liberation_For_All_2006

CONTACT:
Hannah Mermelstein
hmermels (at) hotmail.com
617-835-6142
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Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
12 Apr 2006
this is awesome. i have always wished that there were more jewish people (like myself) who spoke up about this. i was the only one at my seder who felt this way and as a jewish anarchist i often come up against the more conservative approach of other jews around me. it is heartening to hear about this action, more power to you!
I cheer you on.
12 Apr 2006
Perhaps it will make it clear to those who do not understand that Jews do not universally support Israels policies.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
12 Apr 2006
This looks like damage control to me. Besides isnt the problem jewish exclusiveness(supremacy) and how does creating a another exclusively jewish group address that?
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
ummmmmm. . . it doesn't look like. . . . "damage control". . . .to me. . . . ??
isn't that a little. . . .. "jewish exclusiveness"? If you put any other name of a group of people based on race or ethnicity in place of "jewish" i think there would be serious shouts about it, and they'd be absolutely right. . . . . . are all jews everywhere "exclusive"? Lots and LOTS of jewish people are NOT happy with isrealii policy. . . are we all pro-war because of american exclusiveness? are we all pro-corporate here because we're united states dwellers? of course not!

amatul, i know you've got a loving heart, and are not ABOUT to condemn an entire ethnic group for the sins of some of its leaders. . . . . .yes?

please, i don't understand the terrifying HATRED that comes out here against ALL jewish people everytime the horrors of isrealii policy come up on this list-- i saw it rear its ugly head when rabbi lerner came to speak, adn it really messes with me. its dangerous and scary. . . dogmatic and general! Humans are Humans, born where they are born, developing individually, as separate beings. . . . . . NO ONE is anything-ISH -ITE- or -IAN beneath societal confines. . .. . can we please not condemn entire ethnic groups and nations? isn't that one of teh causes of some of the world's most horrifying troubles- INCLUDING the brutal treatment of the Palestinian people? Shoudn't NO ONE be treated brutally, or judged by their ethnic make-up, or grouped together in spite of their individuality NO MATTER WHAT?

Please?
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
this was an awesome action! i hope this encourages other jews against israeli human rights abuses to start getting active.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
Amatul, I too think your heart is in the right place, but I gotta say I don't get your comment here. Maybe it was not you that posted it. The problem is not "Jewish exclusiveness or supremacy" the problem is Israeli state human rights abuses and the IDF occupation of Palestine. Plus the support given to those state polices by groups like AIPAC and other powerful US lobby groups that claim to speak for the Jewish people.

With that in mind I think it is important and courageous for people in the US and elsewhere that self identify as Jewish, to stand up for what is being done in their name. I think this action is a powerful one, precisely because it is a Jewish group protesting.
That should have said...
13 Apr 2006
…stand up against what is being done in their name…
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
it's about fucking time we show that not all jews are against israeli policies.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
shit i mean that not all jews are for israeli policy
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian rights, challenge AIPAC and JCRC by holding seder ouside their offices
13 Apr 2006
Amatul is absolutely correct. Unless you are highly educated on the nuances of this struggle, it may not be obvious. But not to address the theft of the entire land and to advocate that settlers are on Palestinian land (all of Palestine is Palestinian land) and not recognize that it is all Palestinian land, is exclusive, and therefore supremacist, and therefore racist. Israel "proper" is an Apartheid state, people SHOULD NOT overlook that aspect as well. These folks do more damage to Palestinians than the far right wing Zionists because they appear as though they care, when they don't - much like Chomsky.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
This action is beautiful! Even though I'm not "highly educated on the nuances of this struggle" I'd very much like for these kinds of actions to continue and to work and build with Palestinian groups. I especially admire the poster that "address[es] the theft of the entire land"

Damnit, I need to be more invovled as well!
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
Karen, I don't agree with you. It is easy to place all peoples in one sweet group for all of us to hate (whether Jewish or Palestinian). What's awesome about this action is that shows solidarity bt. groups that we all supposed to think hate each other... "Eternal war made easy." We have to challenge that everyday and say, YES, there are Jewish people out there who want peace. Millions of them. It is the Israeli government (much like the US government) that want to convince us that war is the only way.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
For those who are unaware of Jewish opposition to the zionists in Palestine, please visit:

JEWS NOT ZIONISTS
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
dammit karen you exposed me. i fucking hate palestinians because i support a jewish right to have a state. just because i believe Israel has a right to exist does not mean i am in any way racist or exclusive. i agree with you that the IDF is a terrorist group and the settlers are racist fucks and that the government of Israel is quite oppressive, HOWEVER that doesn't mean that we as a people do not deserve a place to call home. now if we could only have picked a better place that wasn't fucking tiny as hell, that would have been smarter. but to support the existence of israel is not fucking racist or any of the other bullshit you spout. and you saying that shit aboiut being highly educated on the nuances of this struggle is elitest shit.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
Please try to keep the conversation civil... Less cursing, more informative. Thanks!
Nice Job!
13 Apr 2006
Thanks for standing up for what you believe in!
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
i'm reading these comments and sensing a huge explosion about to burst here, so i'd like to try to mediate a bit, knowing i'll probably only add fuel to the fire. if i do, apologies . . .

noah, i encourage you to think about what it means to have a democratic state that relies on keeping a specific religious/ethnic majority. i also encourage you to consider what it means to have a "homeland" that another people has lived on for thousands of years, and has since been violently displaced from to enable the "homeland" of another. i would encourage you to think about the concept of a "place to call home" verses the violent reality of israel's history. the language i'm using here is far milder than others want to use, than i want to use, but i'm trying to actually reach in here . . . .
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
i also want to add that it looks like the group has some signs that specifically speak to the entire world palestinian refugee population - estimated at 6 million - that speaks to the complete take-over of Palestine and the need for right of return (on the poster- cannot return to their homes).

there are also posters that talk about settlers and specifically the oppression of military occupation of the west bank and gaza, but it seems to me important to point out these human rights abuses as we also call attention to the overall land theft.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
. are we all pro-war because of american exclusiveness? are we all pro-corporate here because we're united states dwellers?


No not necessarily....but saying I am a is the begining of the construction of yourself.
When a person says "I am a...." it creates an image in the other persons head as to who they are and what they think. I am a Leo tells the person I am speaking to about charateristics about that sign that are attributed to me. I am a toll booth attendant without one other word tells everyone exactly what I do for 8 hours a day. You know this very well.

You can not escape the fact that when you say I am an American you are telling others that you are a warmonger. America has been a nation that has only briefly not been at war since WW II. It matters not what you believe individually. When you state you are an American you place your identity into the realm of our nation and you weither you like it or not are stating that you are what everyone can see with their eyes that you do as a nation. Just like the toll booth attendant. You can not erase the image in the other persons mind based on that persons experience. As a American you can state that you are an American that does not support its foreign policy and war but must rely on the other to trust you or not. It is pretty damn hard to escape the tags of warmonger and corporate imperialist when anyone says they are American. If you don't like it change your nations policy.

When a person tells me they are catholic I think vatican, pope and child abuse. When a person tells me that they are a jew I think Isreal, warmongers and terrorists. Pretty much the same as Palestinian. Sorry but it is the nature of self construction and identity.
gut yuntef and yasher koakh
13 Apr 2006
new york's anti-occupation jews [heart] our boston cousins....

let's try to coordinate sometime! want to come down to nyc for our may 6th post-pesakh action?

www.jatonyc.org

in gerangl,

daniel lang/levitsky


p.s.
karen, amatul:
i don't see any signs or press release text here that says anything about the status of a racially/religiously exclusive jewish state. ans especially, none of the usual liberal "we love israel and so we criticize it" junk. so: 'liberation for all'. which means liberation for all - palestinian refugees' right of return; an end to israeli apartheid; and a shared future throughout historic palestine in a form decided on by the people who live there, not their self-appointed 'leaders'.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
"...a shared future throughout historic palestine in a form decided on by the people who live there..."
The people who own the place arent allowed to live there and that is the problem.

They have consistentantly said for at least 100 years they do not want millions of Jewish colonists and their help taking their homes, land, wells, places of worship for bars and discos, and bulldozing their communities.

S T E A L I N G I S N O T S H A R E I N G !

and never will be.

The current goal of the jews occuping palestine is to extort an agreement from the rightfull owners of the land in palestine to give up what has been taken.

That is manifested in the aboves demand for a overwhellingly jewish colonist presence in Palestine and in the final political demographic which is mutually exclusive of "Peace" because as long as you have something that you have stolen you will never know peace. as soon as you give up what you have taken you will be on the road to "security" or at least freedom from fear of justice.

This is inevitable.

It is impossible to steal from someone you have murdered and to sustaine yourself or even to maintain your position even if you force thier kin to give to you to survive.

Justice is comming to Palestine and tresspassers, thieves, murders, assassins and decievers wont want to live in a just society.

If AIPAC traitors were not in the headlines but the resistance in Palestine was by tacticly making jews reconsider tresspassing under the threat of death would this demo happen?
the only way out is this way
13 Apr 2006
I am so happy to finally see pro-Palestinian Jewish voices given attention--of course it's "only Indymedia" but even that has been rare. The only possible future for the holy land is for it to be shared. Period. No one has a RIGHT to it. If this were really about God and religion (i.e. Judaism) then there would be no issue. The more I learn about Zionism the more I realize that it's been a disastrous failure, beginning with the fact that religious Jews were against the idea from the start. By establishing a political state, the Zionists are trying to do God's work. It's as if the "christian" businessmen like Pat Robertson decided they wanted to make texas an independent christian nation. We would laugh at them. We would know that Texas was no holier than any other state, and that Prime Minister Robertson was corrupt. And if he started to develop a secret nuclear program, I bet we wouldn't be very happy about it.

America, for that matter, has no more legitimate right to exist. NO COUNTRY has a RIGHT to exist. Every unjust system, and that includes the gov's of the US, Israel, and France will hopefully fade away over time and people will go back to sharing the planet with the rest of nature.
Arabs and their history of dressing like Jews
13 Apr 2006
And we are just expected to believe that these are Jews protesting Israel and its attempts to defend their citizens from being murdered by arabs?

As we know the arabs have a long history of dressing up like Jews, even the ultra religious, just before they set off a bomb that kills lots of Jewish children.

We know the arabs for what they do and those they make heros (namely those that kill the most Jewish children).
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
Thank God for all of you!

I praise your courage and admire your wisdom.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
I always always knew that there were many Jewish people that see that the Palestinian People do not have justice, just as many other Americans see it, but for some reason, we have all been silenced.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
These young Jews are the real believers among their people for they are struggling for justice and fairness. In the Qur'an God has mentioned them as being rightly guided. But there is only a few of them while the vast majority is being misled by 'false prophets'.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
God bless, Yahweh bless, Allah bless these courageous and open-minded young people! I'm with them in spirit...authentic Christian spirit, I believe.
Thank You
13 Apr 2006
Thank you for your principled stand for human rights, justice and peace.

I have no doubt that your poignant display of our shared humanity will motivate many others to take a similar stance.

It was avery good thing you did.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
The youth here have real courage! Mountains of support to them.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
Bravo! Bravo! Bravisimo!
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
Thankyou to the young people involved in this protest, it has given me hope that the Jewish religion will be saved from its own self destruction through Zionism. I take my hat off to you all, you should be very proud of what you are attempting to do. Stay strong, the world is noticing and many many of us are behind you.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
13 Apr 2006
I am so happy to see wonderful, moral, compassionate young Jews committed to liberty. It is such a contrast to the name-calling of two professors who dared to criticize AIPAC and the strong Jewish lobby's excessive influence in Washington.
We must address how Washington and Israeli governments are shooting themselves in the foot in their relations with the Arab world. How can Israel ever hope to live in peace with their Palestinian and other Arab neighbors when they keep stealing Palestinian land in order to build Jewish homes?
The demographics over there will soon result in the governmental upset and ultimate justice that happened in South Africa, and there goes any chance of a Jewish state.
It is suicidal of Israeli governmental officials to think they can cheat the Palestinians out of more land with unilateral "solutions."
And the effect of all this Israeli and American brutality on Arab attitudes toward America is a subject that sorely needs open dialogue.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
Good, all humans must empathize with the oppressed.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
"Peace is Perfect"
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
sounds like most if not all commentators so far have agreed on the basics:

1. the land was invaded and violently occupied by zionists, and the 'state of israel' is, legally speaking, illegitimate.
2. nobody who denigrates an entire people by transferring the guilt of some, or even many, to all members of that people, can be included among the seekers of justice and the peacemakers.
3. while the wrongs of the israeli state have rendered many legitimate inhabitants homeless or refugees, the jews who live there now also have a need for a home, and therefore a claim to a fair share of the land along with the expelled palestinians, where both sides must live respecting each other's rights and cultures as an example to all of humanity.
4. aside from the illegitimacy of its founding and its continuing occupation of palestine, israeli society is based on racism and jewish-supremacy, akin to the south african apartheid regime, and therefore intolerable in its current form.
5. every person, no matter how sincere-hearted and conscious, moves at their own pace, and should be applauded even for simple steps in the direction of truth. at the same time those who wish to encourage further courageousness have a duty to share their vision gently and respectfully, and tolerate an honest diversity of opinion.

all that said, it seems like these folks are to be congratulated for their action, and encouraged to continue this work, taking to heart all the concerns of their well-meaning comrades, and responding as needed. in addition, this community has a duty to hold them accountable as representatives of our movement for justice and true freedom.

MUSLIMS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, TREE-HUGGERS, ALL OF US, UNITE FOR A FREE PALESTINE!
Re: Courageous
14 Apr 2006
How the world would be if all the people behaved and genuinely understood as these young people understand.

Bravo and continue with your efforts for a lasting solution to ME
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
ANTI-SEMITISM

I lived first-hand the horrors of WWII and the suffering and deprivations in Nazi-occupied Europe as a child. During that time, I never heard anyone say "I hate the Nazis". In fact, I think I had heard the word "Nazi" only once or twice and I did not even know what it meant.

Universally and without exception, we hated "the Germans", ALL OF THEM, the people who had created that monster and had unleashed it upon us, and either actively, tacitly or out of fear, supported it. To us there were no "Good Germans" then. We wanted them all dead, and the world would have been a better place without them. Of course, we were wrong.

Unfortunately, the majority of the Jewish nation has taken the same path today as the German people did then. By actively or passively identifying themselves, without any reservations, with the State of Israel and its policies, by providing financial support and at the push of a button from Tel Aviv become its mouthpiece either to propagandize, provide excuses for war crimes, cover ups, to silence or intimidate those who protest, they will suffer the same fate around the world as the "good Germans" did then. They will be universally despised and hated.

People will not hate "the Israelis" but "the Jews", ALL OF THEM. By following the same policies, Jewish communities the world over have become the best promoters of the idea they fear and have been trying for centuries to overcome, ANTI-SEMITISM. Their success is unprecedented, anti-semitism is smoldering and spreading across the world, but in our times, "political correctness" dictates to keep it to one's self.

The customary "defence weapons" that they throw at the voices of reason and justice in order to silence them, those of "anti-semitism" and "the suffering of the Holocaust" have succumbed to overuse and have lost their effectiveness.

I offer my warmest congratulations to the Young Jews who support Palestinian Rights, and I admire them for their moral courage, wisdom and forethought. If their voices manage to be heard farther across the globe, to the Jewish communities the world over, there is hope for them and their children. Perhaps they can save "the good Jewish people", who have been blissfully, lemming fashion, following the path to social self-destruction.
"Universally and without exception, we hated "the Germans", ALL OF THEM,..."
14 Apr 2006
Here is some history of the Nazis everyone should study up on.

" Revolting as it is, it would be an interesting study in psychology to analyze the motives, other than fear and cowardice, that have prompted Jewish bankers to lend money to Germany as they are now doing. It is in part their money that is being used by the Hitler regime in its reckless, wicked campaign of propaganda to make the world anti-Semitic; with that money they have invaded Great Britain, the United States and other countries where they have established newspapers, subsidized agents and otherwise are spending untold millions in spreading their infamous creed."

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Untermyer.html

History can be deceptive. It's fair to say that some of the sensational never-published-before documents, in this book, will shock those who have accepted Zionism and its supposed history, at face value, as a political movement that was the hope of the Jews. Lenni Brenner, the intrepid author of "Zionism in the Age of Dictators," reveals disturbing new evidence in his latest effort, that suggest just the opposite. In fact, he makes a compelling case that the Zionist record was "dishonorable." You can consider this excellent tome as a worthy sequel to his first expose' on the myopic Zionist zealots of that bygone era.

For openers, Brenner showed how the Zionists had a long history of shameless cooperation with the Nazis, especially after the dictator Adolph Hitler had came to power in 1933. The Zionists were also in bed, to some extent, with the other members of what later became known as WWII's "Axis of Evil," that included Benito Mussolini's Italy, and Tojo Hideki's Japan. For example, in March 29,1936, Zionists praised Il Duce, and his regime, at the opening of a maritime school, funded by the Fascist government, at Civitavecchia. This is where a Zionist youth group, the "Betar," trained its sailors for the future Revisionist state. The speakers ignored the fact that on Oct. 3, 1935, Italian troops had invaded Abyssinia.

On another front, the "Third Congress of the Jewish Community of the Far East," was held in Jan., 1940, in Harbin, Manchuria, then reeling under a brutal military occupation by the Japanese imperial forces. At that time, too, Tokyo was already aligned with Hitler and Italy's Mussolini, in the notorious Anti-Comintern Pact. Also, keep in mind, that the Japanese's murderous "Rape of Nanking," had occurred in Dec., 1937, and the "Crystal Night" incident on Nov. 9, 1938. Nevertheless, the Zionist confab went out of its way to legitimize the Japanese occupation by certifying it as a guarantor of the "equality of all citizens," in that beleaguered land.

The Zionist also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a "leading Haganah functionary." The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis' payroll "as an informer."

Brenner isn't the first writer to address the mostly taboo subject of how the Zionist leadership cooperated with the Nazis. Rolf Hilberg's seminal "The Destruction of European Jews"; Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem"; Ben Hecht's "Perfidy"; Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement"; Francis R. Nicosia's "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question"; Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic's "I Cannot Forgive"; and Rafael Medoff's "The Deadening Silence: American Jews and the Holocaust," also dared, with varying public success.

After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a "fanatical Zionist." Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary's Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, "I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. `You can have the others,' he would say, `but let me have this group here.' And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape."

Readers, too, will be surprised to learn, that after the Nuremberg Anti-Jewish Race Laws were enacted in Sept., 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler's favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine.

As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:

"It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions..."

Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious "Stern Gang," late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on "Germany's side," in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the "Jewish Question" in Europe, and their assistance in creating an "historic Jewish state." By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were "closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure." Stern's obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.

Finally, I think Brenner was right, when he wrote, "This book presents 51 historic documents to indict Zionism for repeated attempts to collaborate with Adolf Hitler. The evidence, not I, will convince you of the truth of this issue...Exposing the Zionist role in the Nazis era is part of the scrutiny of the past, required of historians."
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
We are brothers and sisters jews, muslims and chirsitans in the face of zionism. I praise your courage and wish u the best
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14 Apr 2006
Beautiful and courageous. We are all one Humanity. Respect for all. Let us come back to what is Good, Right and True on this Planet. Fear not.
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14 Apr 2006
Challenging the Shabbatean-frankist fascists is great, but it would be wonderful to challenge the "Jew elected people/gentile soul-less" mentality. This may be the real debate!!
feel free to answer...
Jah bless
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14 Apr 2006
Seeing this fills my heart will love. If we all strivied for peace no matter what our faith, color or economic standings the world would be a better place.

Please know that I am so thankful that others are also advocating Palestinan rights as well as Jewish.

We must all learn to live in peace with one another or we are all doomed to fall.
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14 Apr 2006
This makes me very proud of my Sephardic Jewish matrilineal heritage -- a part of me that I have kept secret due to my embarassment and disgust over Israel's total lack of humanity toward my Palestinian cousins. I do not practice Judaism and absolutely abhor Zionism racial ideology that excuses slow motion genocide of the indigenous Palestinians in favor of implementing a racially pure Jewish State in Israel. These young Jews of conscience deserve a gold medal for their courage in standing up to challenge the power grid of AIPAC and JCRC. It is very refreshing to see seeds of a *renewal of the young Jews of Conscience* emerging in these days of hatred, bigotry and prejudice toward Palestinian Arabs and Muslims -- and all of us, regardless of our cultural or racial differences must respect the human rights and dignity of all people if we want to guarantee a promising future for our children. In the end -- we will all return to our mother earth and father sky -- no one is exempt -- not even the most ruthless or the peacemakers among us. One day Israel will no longer exist -- due to her own self destructive fascistic ideologies -- as the saying goes -- he who would troublest his own home will inherit the wind.
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14 Apr 2006
no pun intended. This is amazing. This exactly what needs to be seen in order for Palestinian rights to become respected. Thank you to all who participated.
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14 Apr 2006
It was so much better before Israel was created. All the Jews were safe and welcomed in Europe.

The Jews scattered throughout the arab world were treated with great respect and were encourged to particpate in all levels of society and never had to worry about watching their children being killed and pushed into the gutters
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14 Apr 2006
I think an anti-AIPAC campaign with the slogan Not in Our Names would be great.
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14 Apr 2006
It's amazing to see a discussion of this quality on this site. I think in this thread are the seeds of peace. We should make sure they blossom and spread far and wide. Honestly if people argued less and just said nice things to each other for the fun of it we could fix the world in a week, maybe two. Hats off to those with the courage to speak out in the face of so much pressure. Finally, check out http://mujca.com/ to see more of what is possible when sincere people of faith unite.
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14 Apr 2006
>>That is one ugly chick. <<

This young lady's actions transcend glamour -- her soul is beautiful as she is upholding the rightgeousness of her Judaic principles - embodied in the meaning of: Tikkum Olam which translates to "Repair of the World;" or in other words, making the world a better place for all living things.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder -- I suggest that whoever posted this shallow comment pluck out his or her ugly eyes. Justice is not about a beautiful chick holding a placard -- and if you recall, the Goddess of Justice is BLINDFOLDED.
Who are you? Alan Morten Dershowitz? If so, have you ever look at yourself in the mirror? What do you see when you do? A shriveled up little fascist Zionist twerp or a Jew with a Conscience?
Tikkum Olam, CS
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14 Apr 2006
Thank you for your courage; all evil needs is decent people to hold their tongue, so it is inspiring to see you challenge the fascistic orthodoxy of the official organs of American Jewry. Ironically your protest will probably be depicted as self-hatingly antisemitic (if indeed the major media covers it at all), but your actions will help prevent real antisemitism from taking root.

Your opponents are very clever, but not very wise. Your protest shows that not all Jews are happy with Israeli policies that focus entirely on short term gain at the expense of a liveable future.
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14 Apr 2006
This is fucking great. My Mom actually passed a sedar along for the Palestininians, but this is even better. Jews are not the problem, Zionists are - Free Palestine - end the Zionist project, the "Promised Land" is the U.S.A!

John Sigler
Jewish Friends of Palestine
http://www.jewishfriendspalestine.org

Shalom - Salaam - Peace! (If you didn't get it, free fucking Palestine! - all of it!)
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
14 Apr 2006
I just went through and read a lot of the comments and all the racist hill-jacks prattling their redneck white-supremacist crap. All Jews are no more represented by the racist actions of the Israeli government than all Americans are responsible for the the actions of the Bush regime. As an American, we protested, we fought to promote alternativce views, we fought for the truth and Bush and his cabal of neo-Con Neo-Nazi bastards went ahead anyway. But are all individual Americans responsible for Bush's policy? Is Noam Chomsky? Howard Zinn? Of course not, anymore than all indivdual Jews are responsible for the crimes of the Zionist entity in Palestine. The "Promised Land" is the U.S.A. - Jews have never lived better, more respected, more secure, ever in their history than in the U.S.A. I invite all Israelis - and some 500,000 (out of a total population of less than 6 million) have agreed - to move here. Any piece of shit that has a problem with Israelis moving here, like Mexicans, Central Americans, and others - is an obvious racist. The more Israelis that move here are the less Israelis in Occupied Palestine. I am a firm believer in one-state, where Jews, Muslims & Xtians all share equal rights in one state for all its people. No "Jewish State", no "Palestinian State", no what-the-fuck-have-you state. One liberal democratic state for all its people.

That's right - no Zionism. Viva la PFLP!
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15 Apr 2006
I dont know if Rachel Corrie is Jewish; but the Boston Jews are the worthy of their birth. Long live their beliefs and spirit.
Re: "racist hill-jacks prattling their redneck white-supremacist crap. "
15 Apr 2006
"Any piece of shit that has a problem with Israelis moving here, like Mexicans, Central Americans, and others - is an obvious racist."

If you think we will will be slurred for objecting to more thieving, racist, mass murdering , zionist thugs decending on our shores your the "... POS"

"The more Israelis that move here are the less Israelis in Occupied Palestine."

Wait a minute - Thats a fucking nightmare!

"One liberal democratic state for all its people."

All of its people are arab!
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
15 Apr 2006
It might be helpful to remember that Palestine was once a place where Jewish, Muslim, Christians and others existed and lived side by side for generations, before the state of Israel.

This video, from freespeech tv, called “Imperial Geography” takes a look at the maps to provide a sweeping history of the current and historic forces that are shaping the so-called "Holy Land," sacred to three of the worlds great religions.

http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.php?action=detail&video_id=10219
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15 Apr 2006
beautiful
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
15 Apr 2006
Brilliant essay there annie.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
15 Apr 2006
lex- but i AM an american. you don't really get to choose that- unless you become a voluntary ex-patriot(which is something i have definitely looked into). Even then, what country will you be known-even just amongst your new friends whereever you go- as havign become an ex-patriot FROM? I was born in teh unted staes. i wish i wasn't, but i was. i'd be lying if i said i wasn't and i detest the war, and i detest corporatism, too. don't you live here, too? well then tell me! why haven't you changed your country's policies?! You say we need to change 'em- ya know i tried, but somehow it didn't have any effect! Perhpas you have a magic wand I can wave? or perhaps you have a way i can citizenship in canada, holland, france, someplace better?

philhamena- don't EVER be ashamed of your heritage, no matter WHAT it is. god, isn't that somethign we're supposed to prevent? I am cuban, german-jewish, and irish. i was raised simultaneously episcopalian, jewish, and catholic. if i started beign ashmed of stuff OTEHR opeople are doing in teh name of people who happened to have been born in some of teh same areas of teh world my relatives happen to have been born in i'd probably have to just go out and buy a tanka dn blow myself up with it, for all the wars i'd carry inside of me-- and as i said before, i detest war. (and as a complete aside, i play a little sephardic music, its beautiful, really really REALLY cool, from a by-gone time when christians, muslims, and jews were all living in relative peace in Spain, before the Inquisition. . . .yay. . . . )

karen and everyoen else makign grotesque comments abotu All Jews- you make no sense to me. i am half jewish. i am horrified by what goes on in palestine, and feel that isreal was NO solution to helping teh jews have safe places to be in the world- but rather a sickening, rascist conquest spurred on by european interests in the middle east(sic). whats your background? whatever it is, i very much doubt that whatever country your ancestors called home was sparklingly pure of horrifying human behaviors. let's see- who's been killing people lately? there was the conflict between the groups of people in rwanda- do you hate rwandans? all tootsies? all hootoos?(sorry if i misspell it). there was the armenian genocide- do you hate all turksish people, and all their descendants? what about folks in the former yugoslavia? do you hate every single last one of them, too? Folks from Spain, France, and Briton came here and killed 90% of the people who originally lived on this continant- do you hate everyone from briton, france, and spain? everyone descended from them? how' bout americans? we're killing EVERYBODY- do you hate all people born in the united states? does that mean- if you were born here- that you hate yourself? thats where this logic goes. . . . its absurd to think that all jewish people EVERYWHERE hate palestinians, or oppress palestinians. i've never even BEEN to isreal, jesus h christ. . . . in fact i think i wouldn't be allowed to even claim citizenship(even if i ever WANTED to, which i definitely DON"T because i don't APPROVE of the thing in the FIRST place) because the religious fundamentalists in power there(just like here) woudl say my mom converted and made my claim to it null and void. but hey, what would you know? you don't know me- which is why i fidn ti very curious taht you accuse ALL jewish people(which includes me) in the oppression of palestine!

judging people by their ethnic make-up is a trashy thing to do, people. . . . c'mon now. . . . how do you like it when someone treats you like that? especially when ya didn't do anythigng wrong? jewish voices that really don't like whats happening over there have NOT only been silenced by right wing fascists-- they've been silenced by LEFT wing fascists, as well as other rascist, fascist people who think rascism is bad unless you're talking about jews. . . . . we're all human beings, without exception-- isn't that enough universal shame, violence, and difficulty without adding all this other stupidity?
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15 Apr 2006
The long history of Jews leaving European anti-semetism shows those Jews going to Muslim lands for a better life. So it becomes pretty hard to take the vacant claims of muslims being cruel to non-muslim Jews and Christians as anything other than offensive propaganda. Before high birth rates of Muslim Lebanese changed thier homeland's demographics, the "Arab" Lebanese were OVER 1/2 Christian. What, did "arab" Muslim Lebanese convert?

But then Zionists decided to concentrate thier emigration efforts on 1 Muslim land and to become murderous thieves of that land. And like the anti-zionist Jews warned 100 years ago, doing so would create hatred of ALL Jews in the historic safe haven for Jews seeking escape from European anti-semetism. Oh well. I guess Jews from Muslim lands should hate the Zionists even more than the Muslims (excluding Palestinians) should.
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16 Apr 2006
This quote is from the Neturei Karta article: “Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.”
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How about simply knowing right from wrong irrespective of religion? How about ‘do unto others’? How about becoming a people of honesty, integrity and honor? These Europeans who use the word “Jew” conveniently also named the place they stole from the Arabs ‘Israel’, in reference to biblical legend, again to deceive the international public. Can Indonesians claim rights to Arab land because they converted to Islam? Can an Ethiopian claim land in Greece because they practice or converted to Greek Orthodox? These European Jews have no ancestry in the Arab region. If it does not make sense for an Indonesians to claim a right to steal Arab land because they converted to Islam, why would it make sense for Europeans who converted to Judaism to claim Arab land? There is only one world that describes the arrival of these foreign European Jews on Arab land and that word is COLONIALISM. There were Jews from the Arab region who have always lived there who were forced to immigrate to the stolen land. Those are not the ‘Jews” I am referring to here, but specifically the architects of the Zionist peril who are Europeans who converted to Judaism and now call themselves “Jews”. Why do we allow these Jews of European origin the right to steal Arab land? And it is true that these young Jews maybe doing what is called ‘damage control’. I can already see the gullible folks saying: “oh, look at these kind young Jews standing up for the Palestinians”. That can only be true if they object to the theft of Palestine in its entirety and not only to the post-1967 theft. Just like Chomsky, they are performing DAMAGE CONTROL.
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16 Apr 2006
European Jews had the right to a land of their own, but only in Europe! What have non-whites have to do with the squabbles between European Jewry and Europeans? The Palestinians are paying a heavy price for that conflict. Had the European Jews occupied Uganda or Argentina instead of Palestine as they had originally planned, the outcome would have been the same. The Ugandans would have picked up their spear and arrows and aimed them at the new Jewish colonizers! European colonizers were going back home when the European Jews arrived as the new colonizers on Arab soil. That is such an irony!

Btw: did we give gays a homeland because they suffered under Hitler? Did we give the gypsies a homeland? Why the Jews are permitted to steal Arab land and pretend it is not stolen. What else do you call it when aliens arrive on your land and dispossess you of your precious land?

THE THEFT OF PALESTINE IS INDEFENSIBLE NO MATTER HOW YOU DISSECT IT!
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16 Apr 2006
THIS IS THE ONE ARTICLE YOU MUST NOT MISS TO READ to really understand the ZIONIST AGENDA


http://theunjustmedia.com/the%20zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east.htm
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16 Apr 2006
Touching sentiment but the passover means liberation for Jews and death for Egyptians. There's no way around that truth and its time to stop candy coating the mass murder at the heart of Judaism.

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A Reflection on Passover (Pesah)

Passover started last Thursday.

The book of Exodus, just before the first passover, records that Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites leave Egypt "But the Lord stiffened Pharaoh's heart and he would not agree to let them go" (Exod. 10:27).* The idea that it is God and not Pharaoh who is hardening Pharaoh's heart is repeated several times throughout the account, including at the beginning (Exod. 7:3). Then, the scriptures reveal that the Lord told Moses to have the Israelites "borrow" gold and silver from their Egyptian neighbors, all of whom were "disposed ... favorably" towards the Israelites. Next, Moses describes how the Lord says that He "will go forth among the Egyptians, and every first-born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first-born of Pharaoh who sits on his throne to the first-born of the slave girl who is behind the millstones; and all the first-born of the cattle. And there shall be a loud cry in all the land of Egypt, such as has never been or will ever be again." (Exod. 11:4-6). It is important to note that God is not perpetrating this mass killing in order to free the Israelites. No, according to scripture, it is merely an opportunity to show off the "marvels" of God as he frees the Israelites (Exod. 11:9).

On the appointed night, "the Lord struck down all the first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh ... to the first-born of the captive who was in the dungeon ... there was a loud cry in Egypt; for there was no house where there was not someone dead" (Exod. 12:29-30). But the Lord passed over the houses of the Israelites and none of them were killed. This is the event that is commemorated every year in the Jewish liturgical calendar as Passover.

I wonder if the apparent ability of so many Jews to rationalize the ethnic cleansing and killing of Palestinians may be linked to the rationalization and celebration of the massacre of innocents that is an important part of Judaism in the form of Passover. Not to mention that, according to scripture, the land of Canaan was obtained through mass slaughter and later Solomon's Temple was built by the slave labor of the survivors of that genocide (I Kings 9:15-22a). There are numerous and hoary Jewish apologetics for the repulsive aspects of Passover but I find them to be unpersuasive rationalizations of what should simply be repudiated and jettisoned rather than 'redeemed.' It is argued that Passover is a celebration of liberation but the very word refers to the passing over of "the Destroyer" (Exod. 12:23) on his way to kill "all the first-born in the land of Egypt." The word Passover, as it is used in scripture, is meaningless without this mass killing.

It matters not whether the massacre of innocents at the heart of Passover is mythical or symbolic; in fact, it may arguably be worse if one thinks myths of the massacre of innocents are fit material for religious instruction or tradition, esp. for children (see Exod. 12:26-27 and the "Mah Nistanah" in any Passover Haggadah). Of course, the mass killing at the heart of Passover is mentioned at Passover Seders but a bit of spilled wine hardly seems an adequate treatment.

I anticipate that some reading this will reflexively point the accusing finger at violence in the Christian and Muslim traditions and to such critiques I say, fair enough, but violence in those traditions does not excuse or ameliorate violence and its rationalization and celebration in the Jewish tradition. So, let's just reflect on Judaism for a while, okay?

*All quotes above are from the Jewish Publication Society's 1985 Tanakh translation.
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16 Apr 2006
Supreme Executive Power must come from a a mandate from the masses not from some farcical demonstration ceremony with some Jewish girl holding a sign. I mean, if I were to say that I weild Suprme Executive power because some Jewish Tart held aloft a sign, you would say that I was daft.
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16 Apr 2006
Thank you, thank you so much. How much we need your voices, your sincerity, your courage to stand up! Thank you from my heart.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
16 Apr 2006
Noah wrote (notice the name ‘Noah’ – back to the biblical hocus/pocus)

“leenah, what the fuck was with that comment that the Ugandans would pick up their spears and arrows? are you kidding me?”
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Noah: you did not say what right European Jews had to a square inch of Arab land. The Europeans were delighted at the idea of Zionism. Why? It is like killing two birds with one stone! They would get rid of the European Jews that they disliked and these European Jews were willing to serve as empire’s whores in the strategic Middle Eastern region. The intended victims of Zionism were non-whites. The countries these European Jews wanted to steal were Uganda, Argentina, Palestine and NOT Sweden, Italy or Greece? What is the difference between the two groups? The former, the non-white countries were powerless and could easily be COLONIZED! Why would Ugandans pick up spears and arrows? Very simple! Why were you the European Jew contemplating of stealing Uganda? How do black people owe the European Jews anything’s? How do Argentineans? How do the Arabs? The European Jew was not coming to the lands of non- whites as immigrants but as mass killers, displacers, colonizers and empire’s whores. Read the link below and let me know if the European Jews had any other intentions for their NON-WHITE victims, but mass murder?

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html
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16 Apr 2006
noah said: ok as for the "biblecal hocus pocus" my name is Noah for christ's sake. i do not read the bible nor like it. if you had been reading this forum, i have been posting for quite a long time with this name. and my comment about your comment was that it was rather racist to say that ugandans would simply use spears and arrows.
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no, i am new to this forum nor do i desire to stick around...i have things to do and places to go to. as far as the Ugandans would have met the European jews with bows and arrows, why wouldn't they? the European jews were looking for NON-WHITES to COLONIZE and BRUTALIZE. the european jews did not consider any land belonging to white people as the 'jew nation'. why? they would have been met with a devastating force! lemme ask you a question: you are sitting in your living room safe and secure with your family, the next you know, a whole bunch of alien EUROPEAN ALIEN JEWS are busting through your door to take over your house. are you not going to reachch for your shot gun?
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16 Apr 2006
Damage Control: Noam Chomsky and the Israel-Palestine Conflict. ByJeffrey Blankfort
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_21643.shtml

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Noam Chomsky and the Pro-Israel Lobby: Fourteen Erroneous Theses
By James Petras -Apr 3, 2006, 03:58

http://www.leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/Chomsky.html
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16 Apr 2006
The picture of the gathered jews above reminded me of an excellent article by GILAD ATZMON.


http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/notin.html
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16 Apr 2006
that was one of th e most racist artecles i've ever read.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
16 Apr 2006
I just went through and read a lot of the comments and all the racist hill-jacks prattling their redneck white-supremacist crap. All Jews are no more represented by the racist actions of the Israeli government than all Americans are responsible for the the actions of the Bush regime. As an American, we protested, we fought to promote alternativce views, we fought for the truth and Bush and his cabal of neo-Con Neo-Nazi bastards went ahead anyway. But are all individual Americans responsible for Bush's policy? Is Noam Chomsky? Howard Zinn? Of course not, anymore than all indivdual Jews are responsible for the crimes of the Zionist entity in Palestine. The "Promised Land" is the U.S.A. - Jews have never lived better, more respected, more secure, ever in their history than in the U.S.A. I invite all Israelis - and some 500,000 (out of a total population of less than 6 million) have agreed - to move here. Any piece of shit that has a problem with Israelis moving here, like Mexicans, Central Americans, and others - is an obvious racist. The more Israelis that move here are the less Israelis in Occupied Palestine. I am a firm believer in one-state, where Jews, Muslims & Xtians all share equal rights in one state for all its people. No "Jewish State", no "Palestinian State", no what-the-fuck-have-you state. One liberal democratic state for all its people.

That's right - no Zionism. Viva la PFLP!
a rose by any other name is a rose. the european jews are COLONIZERS of PALESTINE!
16 Apr 2006
John Sigler wrote:

"The more Israelis that move here are the less Israelis in Occupied Palestine. I am a firm believer in one-state, where Jews, Muslims & Xtians all share equal rights in one state for all its people. No "Jewish State", no "Palestinian State", no what-the-fuck-have-you state. One liberal democratic state for all its people."


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What makes the Jews of Europe ‘its people’? How do European Jews belong on Arab land? On what basis? Because they are “Jews’? Do we then invite all Christians to Palestine, because Christians used to and still live in Palestine? Do we invite all the Muslims of the world to Palestine because Muslims used to live palestine? If the European Jew is entitled to free Arab land, why aren’t the Mexicans, the Zulu, the Eskimos, and the Nigerians? On what basis are these EUROPEANS entitled to be called ‘its people’? How do you dare to refer to the Jews of European origin as ‘its people. How did they get to be ' its people? The English colonizers never got to be called 'its people', right? Wasn’t it by conquest these european jews have claimed arab land? ? These European Jews are not different than the English colonizers before them, except that these colonizers don’t seem to be going back home to Europe. Where am I wrong?
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17 Apr 2006
Katt-lex- but i AM an american. you don't really get to choose that- Your right you do not get to choose that. But this is a democracy. Your governments actions represent your beliefs, desires and wants. That you can change. Right now you bare the consequences of your countries behavior. Preemtive war based on lies. Braking international laws of war and torture. This burden you already carry. Your only hope of redemption is to change that with your actions and vote. When one says I am a you align yourself with that policy. You have the right to declare that instead of being an American you are a citizen of the world. You support international law and human rights as we of many countries have passed them into law. The only road away from chaos is the rule of law. The alturnative is the rule of men like Bush. Geographic relocation does not change your rights or responsibilities in a democracy. My only defense from the shame of the actions of corporations and despots that control my country is to always stand with others that support the rule of law and against despots that create war, torture and chaos for the gain of a few at the expense of the many. Democracy may bring freedom but it brings responsibilities as well. The game continues even if your team does not have the ball.
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17 Apr 2006
leenah would you stop referring to the european jew as if we are one fucking entity?
No Violation Posting Facts
17 Apr 2006
Last Thursday morning Palestinian police found the burned body of Muhammad Abu al-Hawa in his torched car in Jericho. He had been shot seven times in the head and chest, had been “brutally tortured before his car was set on fire.” Al-Hawa, a father of eight from the Arab A-Tur neighborhood on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, had been accused of something that has long been a capital offense in the Palestinian Authority—selling a residence, in this case his four-story apartment building, to Jews. Taking the claim for the impromptu “justice” were gunmen from Fatah. It is not clear whether they abducted al-Hawa to Jericho or found him there.

“In 1995, the Palestinian Legislative Council voted unanimously in favor of the death sentence for land brokers who sell land to Jews.” That same year “the PA mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Ikremah Sabri, announced a fatwa . . . authorizing the killing of any Arab who sells property to Jews. The fatwa also forbids Muslims from burying the perpetrators in Muslim cemeteries.”

At least seven Arabs were kidnapped and murdered on suspicion that they had been involved in real estate transactions with Jews. In a report published on Sunday, “dozens of suspected [PA] land dealers have been murdered over the past years after being accused of [that same transgression].”

In al-Hawa’s case, he was thought to have sold his building in A-Tur to Elad, a nonprofit organization that buys East Jerusalem homes for Jewish families and companies. Elad recently bought two other A-Tur residences from Arabs as well. The Mount of Olives, where A-Tur is located, is the site of a Jewish cemetery going back to ancient times and overlooks the Temple Mount and the Old City of Jerusalem.

Police officials say the buildings were purchased legally and there was no legal obstruction to their occupation, the local Arabs’ reaction to Jews moving into the neighborhood has not been positive. “Over the past few weeks residents have clashed repeatedly with the police and members of a private security firm hired to guard the apartments. . . . Earlier this month, dozens of protesters torched a restaurant owned by a member of the [al-Hawa] clan in the neighborhood.”

Immediately after the deal became public, some members of the Abu al-Hawa clan were either kidnapped or summoned by PA security forces to Ramallah and Jericho for questioning.

Some reports also say al-Hawa claimed he was hoodwinked into the sale by Arab businessmen and did not know the real buyers were Jews. The family published ads to this effect in Arab newspapers in an effort to “clear” their name.

It didn’t help. Toameh’s follow-up article, “Neighbors block burial of man killed for selling home to Jews,” informs us that on Friday morning A-Tur residents—consistent with Sheikh Ikremah Sabri’s fatwa—“prevented the burial of Muhammad Abu al-Hawa . . . in a local cemetery. The victim’s family was eventually forced to bury him in a makeshift cemetery on the road between Jerusalem and Jericho.”

Notable in this story is the absence of any involvement—except possibly in the interrogation in Ramallah or Jericho of Abu al-Hawa and/or his relatives—by Hamas. The law forbidding land sales to Jews on pain of death was ratified back in 1995 when the PA was thoroughly under Fatah rule and a Hamas takeover still seemed a fantasy. Sheikh Ikremah Sabri is not affiliated with Hamas but with the older, pre-Hamas PA. The murders of PA Arabs accused of real estate transactions with Jews began in 1996. The gunmen who tortured, shot, and burned Muhammad Abu al-Hawa last week were from Fatah. The A-Tur residents who torched a restaurant and later blocked his burial had no particular Hamas connection.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
17 Apr 2006
Gideon Levy writes in the Haaretz: "The continuing imprisonment of besieged Gaza is precisely the opposite policy that should be applied to serve Israeli interests. The current policy only strengthens support for the Hamas, just like the terror attacks within Israel always strengthen the Israeli right. A nation under siege, its leadership boycotted, will have far more determination and resolve to fight to its last drop of blood. It is impossible to break the spirit of a desperate people. Only a nation that sees a light at the end of its desperation will change its ways. What would happen if Israel were to turn to the world and call upon it to enlist in the cause of support for the residents of Gaza, to donate and invest money to help them out of their utter poverty? If an Israeli prime minister did such a thing and at the same time called for a meeting with his elected Palestinian counterpart, it would create far more effective and positive pressure than any cannon fire. If the Palestinians only saw for the first time in their lives that Israel also had their well-being in mind, which is not necessarily bad for Israel, they would have a lot more to lose and they would expel the Qassam launchers themselves. Only the Palestinians can do that, and sowing the seeds of hope is the only way to do so. And if, in the current situation, the artillery fire were to end, and they were to stop the Qassams, would Israel ease the siege, enable freedom of movement from Gaza to the West Bank, allow Palestinians to work in Israel, agree to the construction of a seaport and airport in besieged Gaza? Israel's declarations prove that the answer to all these questions is an unequivocal no. Its current policy and the policies we have seen it adopt lead only to intensification of the violence on the part of the Palestinians. No Qassam justifies the killing and terror that the shells sow in Gaza. Cannons are meant for war against an army. Using them against a helpless civilian population is supposed to be beyond the realm of the legitimate, without any ifs or buts about it. " To see the full comment: <b>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/705995.html<i> AIPAC and JCRC definity distort the Middle-East situation and are largely detrimental to US policy. ~A. Z. Arrow
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
18 Apr 2006
AZ Arrow...

Gideon Levy and the rest who appeal "to reason" are on the wrong track. Not with reason. With their assumption that the goal is peace. The far-right wing wants it all. And thinks it on the verge of getting it. It does not want peace. It wants war to the end. Talk of "peace" is like talk of "WMDs" or of "Democratizing the Middle East". It's a fig leaf for public consumption.

They want it all and they think if they just press a little further they will have it. But their ambition grows with their "successes". Like the alcoholic, like the heroin addict, like the miser who wants more and more... while it is within their power they will never give up.

The only solution is to cut the money out from under them.

Not a penny more for Israel, 16th most wealthy nation in the world. Not a penny more for the wars of the US/Israeli Axis in Palestine. in Iraq, in Afghanistan, or for the upcoming war with Iran.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
18 Apr 2006
AZ Arrow...

Gideon Levy and the rest who appeal "to reason" are on the wrong track. Not with reason. With their assumption that the goal is peace. The far-right wing wants it all. And thinks it on the verge of getting it. It does not want peace. It wants war to the end. Talk of "peace" is like talk of "WMDs" or of "Democratizing the Middle East". It's a fig leaf for public consumption.

They want it all and they think if they just press a little further they will have it. But their ambition grows with their "successes". Like the alcoholic, like the heroin addict, like the miser who wants more and more... while it is within their power they will never give up.

The only solution is to cut the money out from under them.

Not a penny more for Israel, 16th most wealthy nation in the world. Not a penny more for the wars of the US/Israeli Axis in Palestine. in Iraq, in Afghanistan, or for the upcoming war with Iran.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
18 Apr 2006
I wonder how many of these Jews, are aware that the political and religious godfather of the modern Arab Palestinian movements, Mufti Amin al-Husseini (a cousin of Yasser Arafat) was a supporter and participant in the Nazi Holocaust. He organized Muslim forces in Yugoslavia which aided the Nazis in rounding up Jews. The Mufti also interceded with Hitler to make sure that Hungarian Jews were exterminated. There had been a possibility of a back-channel deal in which the Nazis would let the Jews of Hungary leave and go to British-controlled Palestine. The Mufti, in a rage, insisted that Hitler extend the Final Solution to Hungary's Jews. The ideology of the Mufti is alive and well today in all of the Arab Palestinian parties including Hamas and Fatah.
If life under Arab rule is so wonderful, why did nearly all the Jews of Arab countries flee to Israel. For that matter, why when all other refugee populations were resettled in a comparatively short time in new homes has this population of Arabs been kept in "refugee" status for 58 years. BTW, many if not most of the Arabs called "refugees" had only lived within the the territory that became Israel for a very short time - sometimes as short a time as two years - many had come to get jobs created by Jewish development. Officials of Arab states have admitted that the purpose is to provide a political weapon against Israel. Israel resettled hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands. The Arab states should long ago have done the same for their own people.
Then again, these facts are probably inconvenient for this group that has a knee-jerk hatred of the idea of Jews having a sovereign state at all.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
18 Apr 2006
I am glad you are all young - it means there still may be hope you will learn the history of the Middle East so that you are able to distinguish between fact and fiction. Whose land was it before 1948? To what people did the disputed territories belong before 1967? How were the Palestinian Arabs treated by Egypt and by Jordan? Do you know what happened to the Palestinian Arab infant mortality rates; life expectancy; literacy standards, running water and electricity rates; economy; and number of universities post-'67 and pre-intifada? Why not learn the facts before spewing bile at Jews and Israelis. The most pathetic part of all is that you support the murderous Arab Palestinian leadership and don't care to learn anything about what is actually best for the Arab Palestinians. Stop feeling good about yourselves and start actually doing some good. After having read the comments, I can only smile at the empty words screaming for justice, tolerance and understanding, in voices and souls that evince none of those qualities. I am a Jew and a Zionist and proud of both unlike most of the others who have posted comments. I am also well-informed and intelligent. Let's hope some of you will someday share all of those qualities.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
18 Apr 2006
but lex- how do you know that i DON'T consider myself a citizen of the world? shall i lie to everyone and say i was born on mars and schooled in narnia? no individual amerikan has all the answers to stopping the juggernaut of monsters who are running this country, please tell me all about just what you think little tiny powerless non-corporation owning, non-fabulously wealthy, and UN-electable me can do about it! because yes, it must absolutely be ALL my fault PERSONALLY that we have insane creeps running our country almost one hudnred percent of the time!

i do vote(o boy, everyone on the list wil kill me now, i suppose, for not beign "radical" enuf not to vote), talk to my senators, go to protests, help out organizations, write letters, locally and nationally, i participate, love. . . . . and it's all proven USELESS thus far, despite all my best efforts. i'd say that goes for alot of other folks i know, too. if you've got a better idea for gettign the scary assed war-mongers who've been running this country almost since its inception OUT of power and replacing them with worshippers of bucky fuller, mildred loomis, and pete seeger sometime in the next few days, i'd love to hear it. i didn't vote for these people-- and i've done what i coudl to convince others to do the same. our "democracy" has been utterly short-circuted. . . . i don't know how to even beging to stop teh atrocities which are being committed against the palestinian people by the isrealii government and its supporters!! do you?

besides-- what makes the monsters in power here own MY background? MY experience? MY birthplace?? it all comes back to calling individuals damned by the actions of the nations from whence they come- thats really absurd. If you really believe we are all citizens of the world- individuals, that is-then why do you equate us so damningly with our (un)chosen leaders?

ahhh, but it doesn't matter- no one here knows each other-- i'd love to see whoever it was be brave enough to actualy WALK UP to the girl with the sign- haha, or ME fo rthat matter- and utter the words" jewish tart"- god ,man, at least i use my real name. . . . so much cowardly shit-slinging goes on here. . . . its easy to talk about how much you hate {fill in the blank, this week its jews} when you dont' hafta show your face afterwards, isn't it?
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
19 Apr 2006
I want to say, what a wonderful group of young people!
You understand the oppression/occupation of any people is as wrong , as it was for your own.
To learn from the past, is a great help in preventing future attrocities.
It is important, as human beings, we respect, each other's rights to live , to life, to having our loved ones with us.
With persons like yourselves, there is hope!
Jewish anti-Israel Protesters are Targeted for Death
19 Apr 2006
Palestinian militants linked to President Mahmoud Abbas’s increasingly fractured Fatah movement made calls on Monday to <b>attack Jews overseas</b> to force Israel to release Palestinian prisoners from its jails.

Two other main stream Palestinian militant groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, also said they supported violence to free more than 8,000 prisoners held by the Jewish state, but neither explicitly backed <b>attacks on Jews outside Israel</b>.

The call by militants of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades could heighten tension between Israel and the Hamas ruled Palestinian Authority, which has been crippled financially by the loss of Western aid. “This is an open call to all our fighters in the homeland to focus on kidnapping Jewish civilians inside our occupied land. And if the enemy does not release our prisoners, <b>then Jews outside Palestine will be an even easy target</b> for our fighters,” the group said in a statement.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
19 Apr 2006
If you know personally one of these young jews, please send them this site and ask him to read the article to the end.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1501222/posts
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
19 Apr 2006
you honestly expect us to read something with a forward by David Horowitz?
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
19 Apr 2006
I'm bored with all the excitable Israel bashers, including guilt-ridden Jews who have to have a stupid Seder in the street. That really disrespects regular Jewish seders. I actually hate seders, they are really boring except for all the wine you can drink. Which is why I almost became an Orthodox Jew because it is amazing how much drinking they do, except that you have to go thru long boring services before you kill a bottle of vodka.

Anyway, Israel can't provide a Western standard of living for the Jewish majority, it will fold faster than South Africa a few years ago. Practically no one in Israel except for folks there for purely religious reasons would stay there if it were a Third World nation. Already the poverty rate among Jews is rising. Should the oil situation get really crazy, and the US dollar fold, Israel will be holding an empty economic bag. You will all see that the vaunted Zionist lobby some of you think of as a mythic Monster is really pretty puny if Americans have to choose between cheap gas and an affluent Israel. Time will solve this problem, as it solves most problems. Relax. No Jewish state has lasted more than a couple of hundred years, and that was 2700 years ago. I'm bored just by thinking about all that time!

That doesn't mean the Palestinians will be better off. They can then have their infitada against Egypt or Iran. And we'll go thru the same boring dispute about whether Palestine is a real place or not.
Jewish Freepers= Jeepers?
01 May 2006
strange bedfellows? not really! right wing christian nutjobs and rightwing jewish nutjobs and rightwing muslim nutjobs are MADE for each other.

The rest of us just want to know how building 7 fell.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
24 May 2006
Bravo--

We are all HUMANS.

You are a brave lot, good for you.
Re: Young Jews Support Palestinian Rights, Challenge AIPAC and JCRC by Holding Seder Outside Their Offices
05 Jun 2006
God bless who bless Israel. and curse who curse Israel.
this what the bible says. no more.
pastor sam
Egypt