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Police brutality at debate protests - cd.
04 Oct 2000
Meanwhile the crowd was chanting:
"We're not violent, how about you"
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Where's the brutality?
04 Oct 2000
What brutality did this photograph document? I'm for the protesters; but what I see in this photo is limp CD protesters being picked up, moved, and handcuffed.

Brutality, little darlins, is when police hit, kick, club, tear gas, pepper spray or otherwise deliberately cause unwarranted physical abuse. Handcuffing protesters so they can't get loose ain't abuse, it's for the safety of the cops.

And these cops were probably told to hold back so there wouldn't be any negative association wit' da debates.

C'mon, you're doing fine getting out there and raising cain, but do not tar the movement by mischaracterizing photos like these. Show us the real deal if you got it.

Love,
Marie J.
The picture doesn't show the real story
04 Oct 2000
You say brutality is when police hit, kick, club and gas crowds. Well, I'm sitting next to my friend here who had thirteen stitches put in his head last night after the police held him to the ground and clubbed him. I personally was sprayed several times and beaten to the ground also. This picture may not show the whole story, but don't belittle what the police actually did last night.
dododo
04 Oct 2000
Umm, your are right, this photo doesn't documentt burtality. Where were the cameras was peppered sprayed, clubbed and tossed to the ground? Luckily people carried me away.
"Police arrest nonviolent protesters"
04 Oct 2000
I agree, to call this brutality is to take the impact from real brutality. In LA they shot down a crowd with rubber bullets that was *begging* to disperse peacefully. (A *wonderful* video of this happening is on LA indymedia) and in Melbourne a bike mounted cop kicked over a bicyclist for what appears to be no reason at all. (The photographer got the shot the *exact* moment the kick was placed, on Melbourne Indymedia)

This is a good photo, but it's not brutality. It's a shot of police arresting a group of people for doing something that is protected by the constitution of the country. It's a document of officers who are choosing to defend quiet and order above the promised freedoms of being an American citizen.

A better title might have been "Police arrest nonviolent protesters"
"Protesters Pulled Over Barricades by Police"
04 Oct 2000
Though this may not be the case in this particular picture, at several points during the protests, I witnessed protesters on the proper side of the barricades pulled onto the police side by officers. Granted, this was during times when individuals were attempting to go over the barricades, but the people who I saw being pulled over were not among them.
brutality is undeniable
05 Oct 2000
regardless of the captioning of this photo, eyewitness accounts give the lie to any reports of police restraint in the face of violent protestors. i was among the lines of people who peacefully stepped over the barricades and advanced towards riot cops, on foot and on horse, who proceeded to attack the front line with billy clubs. i hopped back over the fence and started pulling back protestors who were cowering against the otherside being bludgeoned by thrillseeking pigs, at which point one officer reached out and unloaded what felt like an entire canister of pepper spray about a foot from my eyes, and i had to leave the action for over an hour to be treated and to get some fresh air on my eyes & skin.

my experience was certainly not unique, i saw scores of people being gratuitously clubbed and sprayed. there must be some photographic evidence of this- is there any in the videos? they don't really run on this computer.

peAce,
~janek spinach
brutality undeniable
05 Oct 2000
regardless of the captioning of this photo, eyewitness accounts give the lie to any reports of police restraint in the face of violent protestors. i was among the lines of people who peacefully stepped over the barricades and advanced towards riot cops, on foot and on horse, who proceeded to attack the front line with billy clubs. i hopped back over the fence and started pulling back protestors who were cowering against the otherside being bludgeoned by the fuzz, at which point one officer reached out and unloaded what felt like an entire canister of pepper spray about a foot from my eyes, and i had to leave the action for the single most agonizing hour of my life, to be treated and to get some fresh air on my eyes & skin.

my experience was certainly not unique, i saw scores of people being gratuitously clubbed and sprayed. there must be some photographic evidence of this - is there any in the videos? i can't tell yet because they don't really run on this computer.

peAce,
~janek spinach
Pshychological Brutality
05 Oct 2000
This Photograph documents the mental brutality that the Boston police employed. Perhaps there is no physical damage. But think of the mental trauma of this protestor. There is the chance that everytime this person rises up to dissent they may be oaralyzed by this moment. The police must learn to respect and celebrate dissent. If not, the policin gas we know it needs to be fundamentally changed.
Pshychological Brutality
05 Oct 2000
This Photograph documents the mental brutality that the Boston police employed. Perhaps there is no physical damage. But think of the mental trauma of this protestor. There is the chance that everytime this person rises up to dissent they may be paralyzed by this moment. The police must learn to respect and celebrate dissent. If not, the policin gas we know it needs to be fundamentally changed.
Brutality redux
05 Oct 2000
Hey people,

No doubt in my mind at all that some or many cops take advantage of ambiguous situations (like protests) to vent their rage, especially against apparent transgressors (political dissenters; protesters.)

What do cowards do when they're scared of something? Lash out at it, attack it, eradicate it. That's the state's aggregate response du jour (obvious to any sentient being), and also that of many cops.

Although protesters aren't committing the typical crimes (!) for which cops are trained, they probably present a simple behavioral pattern that pisses off cops (physically aggressive, don't obey orders), plus cop superiors (heh) have told 'em to control them.

Photographs are tricky- they capture a single moment of time and it's not easy to discern what's going on, unless you're a lucky photog. I was in Philly during RNC; saw a bike-riding cop lose his balance in a crowd of people (mostly media people, with still and video cams), fall to the ground, get up and get on his bike again.

At some point a great pic was taken while he fell. It ended up on the front page of the Phila. Inquirer (i think) with a caption describing the situation as "demonstrators attacked this cop" (in essence.) Patent lie to any eyewitness such as I, but an example nonetheless of how perception can be manipulated by captioning.

Video's best; to aggressively be in the mix with a camcorder takes guts.

Also, it seems to me there's a gray area in between what's permissible as a protester and what's not. I think cops take advantage of this. Protesters may push the line, mainly in what space they're allowed to occupy, but cops have more weapons: they are legally allowed to respond with physical violence, chemical weapons, detainment, charges, and verbal abuse. If you want recourse against them for misbehavior, be prepared for a fight, and best get to know those armed with camcorders. Camcorder truth jihad!

Love,
Marie J.

Violence.
06 Oct 2000
Violence, nonviolence..

I think that we as protesters must, and do, embrace the violence in the world, and in the system, enough to show up at these protests and be on the front lines where we know we will be confronted by the police.

Therefore, the idea that any protest is going to be "nonviolent" is foolish.

I was a "nonviolent" protester in DC in april, and though I did not throw any rocks or anything, I definatly caused a disturbance to people trying to get to work, people trying to get into the meetings, and the police.

Consider all things people.


peace.

neil
Looking for videos or photos
24 Nov 2000
Can someone help me? I was wondering if anyone has any video or photos from the pres debates in boston that I could obtain. I was there and quite curious to check out. If someone could help me that would be great. Let me know how I can help back also.
peace and smiles
mike
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