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Drunk, Screaming Gore Supporter
05 Oct 2000
This is one of the many angry Gore supporters who acted violently...
This is one of the many angry Gore supporters who acted violently toward the peaceful Nadar supporters. Many others, mostly male union members who were drunk acted in an extreme violent manner, commiting such acts as pushing and hitting women, tearing signs, and screaming ignorant and derogatory remarks.
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Provaceteurs Unmasked!
06 Oct 2000
I personally don't most Labor/Union supporters are actually this ignorant and on such a committed cause of resisting Nader.
If one wants to entertain the thought, these guys could've been the very same who are dressed as anarchists in Prague & the infamous "Union Guys" at R2K, only later to frame activists;
Why not keep these pictures to identify them next time?

Tearing down CORPORATIONS & the US GOVERNMENT's Betrayal of Public trust while EXPLOITING & REPRESSING the Globe!

the american union movement is a joke
06 Oct 2000
this just goes to show just how ignorant the average union member in the states is, sadly. while in most countries union movements breath some kind of left-wing, pro-labor, progressive ideology, the american organized labor scene is anything but. here you have a picture of energetic (maybe too energetic) workers who really stand and believe for what Gore stands and believes. the man is a supporter of such worker-unfriendly elements as NAFTA, WTO, and the IMF, and yet a huge part of his constituency relies on the labor unions, mainly the backwards AFL-CIO. i guess the fascist american propaganda monster has accomplished its mission. god forbid that in the land of the free, we have union movements that truly give the workers the power in their respective work places ("what are you, a commie?!"). anyways, i hope one day the energy this man in the picture displayed can somehow be used to support more social worthy causes, and not corporate america.
Don't generalize about all union members
06 Oct 2000
While it was disappointing to see so many apparent union members
supporting the Gore/Lieberman ticket (and fighting with Nader supporters,
myself included), I want to point out that there are also lots of local union
folks who are supporting Nader.

It's true that many labor "leaders" eat at the same restaurants, fly in
the same first-class cabins, and golf at the same country clubs as the
corporate "leaders" they "negotiate" with. But it can still be difficult for
local union members to go against their own union's leadership and
the majority of its membership.

I tried talking to some of the Gore-supporting labor guys, but they wouldn't
hear it. Probably because I was dressed like a Billionaire. They wouldn't
even take my money! =)
A green union supporter's view
06 Oct 2000
Hi guys,

in regards to the union rally at the debates, from what I've managed to dig up those guys were out there as part of their union dues, in relation to the union's official endorsement of Al Gore.

Labor leaders are generally working toward one goal, and that's to make sure the union has strenghth and support. (with the notably exception of those that are 'friends with management', but I won't go into that) They'll do what they have to do to support the workers who trust them. Some feel that turning their back on a man who marches along side them in strikes to support a man who's hurt their overall cause is justifiable, because it's better than (in their eyes) letting a third man who would destroy them take power.

Of course, this is total hooey, Bush may be an execution happy conservative with a record on education and health that makes him sound monstrous, but on labor issues he's not all that different than Al Gore, with the exception that Al Gore will actually *say* he'll support them.

(Saying you support special interests seems to be a certain way to get votes, eh? Lets see how long all this medicine for seniors stuff lasts after the elderly have cast their votes)

There is one other important factor. As I understand it, a union must form a PAC to publicly endorse a candidate. Only, Nader and some unions fight against the very existence of PACs because they're an easy channel for soft money. So, groups like the United Electrical workers who back Nader can't say bupkis.

It's a shame, because we're not even two sides of the same coin. Most green values and most union values are different parts of the same image on the same side of the coin.
It's a shame...
06 Oct 2000
It's a shame that these union members were forced to go, and it is a shame that they are so brainwashed by the powers that be. BUT it is not excuseable that many were heavily drinking and violent. There are no excuses for the violence they commited. One large union member almost threw a women over the chain and into the water. The police were told this, and were right there when it happened, but the man was not arrested. Another union member threw someone's camera into the water. He was not arrested. Where is the justice? We were non-violent.
Teamsters and Turtles together at last????
07 Oct 2000
all of this labor/green division is really disappointing me.
In seattle, in dc, in philadelphia and in los angeles, labor worked w/human rights, environmental, and student activists. now that's just a distant, faded memory b/c we wanted nader's voice to be heard at the debate? (that's what this protest was about....NOT "vote nader" necessarily)

labor's reaction to anyone other than gore supporters has disappointed me greatly. i'm not too sure if i can, in future events, trust them to watch my back. or if i would be inclined to watch theirs.

i thought we were working together for a better tommorrow, but i guess i was wrong.
Bad Apples
11 Oct 2000
Yeah, it was unfortunate that some pro-Gore union guys
were acting like dicks. I told some of them that Nader
is really the guy for workers. A couple of em' yelled lewd comments at me & some of the other union guys looked really
embarrassed by this. As I was shooting video when the march
approached the rotary I asked a few union guys to "please
not harass these people", they replied "Nader sucks!" I
asked the guy what he knew about Ralph Nader and he told me he knew nothing. Another union guy who was a maniacal Gore
supporter admitted to me (on camera) that the reason he was supporting Gore was because he hated Bush so
much. Actually a lot of Gore people told me that. I told them to read up on Ralph Nader & they'd want to vote for him, many of them said they would. There is hope?